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NEW Season 1 Oct 23, 2026 · 1 hr 28 min

#438 Dr. Thomas Lodi - “There Is No Such Thing As Disease”

Zuby is joined by Dr. Thomas Lodi, a physician trained in internal medicine at Columbia who walked out of his oncology fellowship after six months, convinced the treatments were harming patients. He now runs An Oasis of Healing in Arizona and four centres in Thailand, practising what he calls integrative oncology. Lodi argues that Western society has medicalised life itself, that naming a condition turns a bodily process into an enemy to be fought, and that the disease model was shaped by Rockefeller’s Flexner Report to create a point of sale. He makes the case for understanding cancer as a metabolic condition rather than a genetic one, drawing on Otto Warburg’s Nobel-winning work and Thomas Seyfried’s cybrid experiments. Zuby pushes back on germ theory. They also cover the fear response to a cancer diagnosis and what Lodi calls amygdala hijacking, the thymus gland’s role in ageing immunity, EMF and calcium channels, why he believes the low-fat consensus is backwards, and therapeutic fasting. — Real Talk with Zuby is an independent podcast. Our sponsors help make that possible: Veritas Wealth Management helps families, business owners, and retirees build real financial freedom through hands-on expert investment guidance. Schedule a call today at https://veritasalaska.com — Subscribe to Real Talk With Zuby on Apple Podcasts or Spotify: https://fanlink.tv/zubypodcast Listen ad-free on Substack: https://realtalkwithzuby.com — Follow Dr. Thomas Lodi: https://drlodi.com Follow Zuby: https://x.com/zubymusic https://instagram.com/zubymusic https://facebook.com/zubymusic — Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (02:41) Why he quit oncology (05:14) How life became medicalised (11:12) Rockefeller and the disease model (16:36) Zuby challenges terrain theory (25:25) What toxicity actually means (39:02) What is cancer? (44:53) Fear, diagnosis and consent (51:54) The thymus and ageing (1:03:24) Why low fat is backwards (1:20:37) Therapeutic fasting explained Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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