Alexander Vindman on 'The Folly of Realism'

The Trump administration is pausing all shipments of military aid to Ukraine, potentially crippling the country's war effort against an invading Russia. Concurrently, the White House is pausing offensive cyber operations against Moscow and even mulling sanctions relief. Joining the program to discuss is former NSC Director of European Affairs Alexander Vindman, who in 2019 blew the whistle on Trump's threat to suspend military aid to try to get Zelensky to investigate Hunter Biden. Vindman's new book "The Folly of Realism: How the West Deceived Itself About Russia and Betrayed Ukraine" could hardly be more timely. Also on today's show: Dr. Mary T. Bassett, Director, FXB Center for Health & Human Rights, Harvard University; Marc Short, Former Chief of Staff to Vice President Mike Pence; Gracelin Baskaran, Director, Critical Minerals Security Program, CSIS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices