Gloves off over privacy, from Apple to Microsoft to Grindr. PLUS Scott's big 2020 bets.

Kara and Scott argue about whether the government should have the right to hack into phones of suspected criminals. In a reversal of strategy the historically secretive National Security Agency alerted Microsoft to a vulnerability in its operating system -- Scott think it's a brilliant branding move. In listener mail, Kara and Scott answer a computer science student's question about how to teach ethics to young engineers. Kara's win this week is Speaker Pelosi. Her fail is some of the world's biggest dating apps, Grindr, Tinder, OKCupid selling personal data to marketing companies. Scott reviews a slate of predictions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices