Reverend Deb Hansen received a metaphorical message in a bottle, urging her to go to the US-Mexico border – a life calling that she followed all the way to El Paso. As a facilitator-chaplain and quilter of the human experience, Deb has been there for people at the most painful and tender times of their lives – helping to understand their stories, and stitch back together the fragments of a broken, polarised world. She brings beautiful stories about migration, spirituality, identity, and historical trauma with life-affirming reverence, she reads us a passage from her book Borderlands , and shows us all how to navigate vulnerability with grace. A rich and important conversation about what it means to be human. Find out about: Deb’s soul work with communities in a divisive, disconnected world Navigating vulnerable conversations with an open heart, and learning to sit with discomfort to honour growth Why authenticity is a lived practice that we manifest through words, body, and intention How to hold space for belonging, collective trauma, and grief in painful times Don’t miss the next episode: subscribe to the show with your favourite podcast player . Links: Watch the video recording of this episode on YouTube . Connect to Deb Hansen : Website Book Share your thoughts about our conversation! Support the show ✨✨✨ You can now find the podcast on Substack, where your host Dr. Myriam Hadnes is building a club for you to find fellow listeners and peers: https://myriamhadnes.substack.com/