How Closed Is the Border?

Donald Trump talked a lot about immigration while on the campaign trail and as his second term begins, he’s getting to work: declaring a national emergency on the border, designating drug cartels as terrorist organizations, and partially suspending asylum and refugee programs.

Guests:

Jose Olivares, investigative journalist and immigration reporter.

Arelis Hernandez, immigration reporter at the Washington Post, based in Texas.

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Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme and Rob Gunther.

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