What Trump's pick for chief of staff reveals about women who work for him

Trump's Trials is now Trump's Terms. Each episode, host Scott Detrow curates NPR coverage of the incoming Trump administration.

This episode: Trump campaign manager Susie Wiles will be the first woman to serve as White House chief of staff. Annie Karni of the New York Times tells NPR's Steve Inskeep what her selection reveals about women in Trump's inner circle — and why they sometimes fare better than men.

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