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Thanks for joining us today. 4:18 Welcome to Almost Live Nashville, where music, entertainment and great conversations come together. 4:24 If you haven't already, tap follow. This way you stay up to date, never missing the great conversation and guests coming your way. 4:33 Some songs become hits, others become part of our lives. My guest today wrote 4:39 one of those rare songs. Donna Lewis captured the world with I Love You 4:43 Always Forever, a song that began as a simple idea while walking the streets 4:48 of Birmingham, England. It went on to become a timeless pop classic heard and 4:53 loved around the world. But Donna's story goes far beyond one unforgettable 4:58 song. Behind the success is an artist who spent years developing her craft, a 5:04 mother who stepped away from the spotlight to raise her son, and a woman who 5:09 faced cancer and turned one of the most difficult chapters of her life into 5:14 music, healing, and a renewed appreciation for what truly matters. Today we 5:19 talk about the whirlwind of sudden success, the lessons she learned 5:23 navigating the music business, motherhood, surviving cancer, why 5:28 perfections matters less to her now than emotion and connection and the creative 5:33 journey that continues with new music and new dreams still ahead. This is a 5:38 conversation about music, resilience, creativity and what happens when life 5:43 changes the way we see everything. I'm really pleased to have Donna join us 5:48 today and I am so looking forward to this conversation. Thanks for joining us. 5:52 Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here, to have a chance. 5:56 Yeah. Well, let's kick this off with millions of people around the world know you for. I love 6:03 you always forever. Yes. When you hear that song today, what memories come rushing back to you? 6:11 Oh my gosh. So many. Writing it in Birmingham, England, where it all first started. 6:18 so many memories that song has been just such a blessing really in my life but 6:25 to go back to how it started I really and I say this to a lot of people I 6:29 really think I manifested that song okay I was walking on the streets of 6:35 Birmingham City where we were living and I was just thinking in my head I 6:40 wonder what it's like to be on stage and I start singing a song and 6:44 and everybody knows it. 6:45 I had this idea, feels like I'm standing. 6:48 And I had this like little melodic idea. 6:51 So I went to my husband's office, 6:53 I said, I gotta get some paper 6:55 and I wrote out some manuscript lines 6:56 and I wrote out the notes 6:59 and then came back home 7:00 and in my little studio at home, 7:03 you know, my little eight track, 7:05 organ one and all the old stuff. 7:08 I just started to write it 7:10 and it came together very quickly, the musical part. Yeah, and it was just one of those things. 7:17 I think sometimes those songs come in on the wind. Yeah. And I was reading at the time 7:21 the H.E. Bates novel, The Love of Lydia. And so there was a line in that song, 7:26 I Love You Always Forever, Near and Far, Closer Together. And I sang that in the chorus. 7:31 And I remember thinking after I'd recorded it, oh my God, that's such a corny line, 7:36 I've got to change yet. And I did try and change it many times, but it didn't work. So I just kept 7:42 it. Yeah. This little song that came from Birmingham, England, and then what it is now. 7:48 Yeah. When that song hit, I mean, it hit in a big way. 7:52 Yes. 7:53 How did that change your life and how you look at things and your day to day on what you did? 8:00 Well, I think it was, you know, I think when you have a dream of being successful as a 8:06 singer-songwriter and getting my whole deal with Atlantic is a bit like a fairy tale, 8:11 even though I think a lot of people when I was doing a lot of press for I Love You 8:15 Always Forever, you know, seemed to think I just come out of nowhere, but I had to 8:19 keep saying I have been working as a singer-songwriter for many, many years. 8:24 So this is not new, but it was new for me, the success, of course. 8:28 Sure. 8:28 When it hit, it was crazy. It was ridiculously exciting. You know, it was number 31 on the 8:36 Billboard charts when we didn't have a video. And so it was all, oh, you got to do a video and all 8:41 this kind of stuff. And it was really exciting. So the dream as a young singer to finally have 8:48 a song that you wrote out there, hugely successful, was amazing. So I was up for 8:55 everything. Do you know what I mean? It was like a whirlwind. Every time my manager called and said, 9:00 oh, I know you're in LA, but could you go to London tomorrow morning and do top of the pops? 9:06 Yes. Do you know what I mean? It was even think twice because it was just so exciting. So you 9:12 just are in this whirlwind of craziness. Are you surprised that that song still resonates 9:19 today after all these years. 9:21 I'm very grateful for it and I kind of understand it now 9:27 because I think it's very much a radio song. 9:30 It's just one of those songs you're in the car, 9:32 you switch the radio on and it kind of works for radio. 9:36 But I also feel, I think it has time as production. 9:40 You know, when we record and produce this song, 9:43 it's really my demo at the end of the day. 9:45 I just feel it's a little timeless in the production sense, and also lyrically, I understand why it 9:53 connects with so many people. So I think it's this charming little song that I do get why it's 10:00 stayed around. Let's start again. I mean, I'm surprised that it's still around, 10:05 but I kind of understand it. I understand how this little song connects with people. 10:10 Sure. Now, you've always kind of followed your own creative path and you was authentic 10:15 in the way that you did it. How did you find yourself evolving once that song hit? Major 10:22 labels have their ideas of what you should do. Management has an idea of what you should 10:27 do. You have an idea of what you should do. You have to stay true to yourself. So how 10:32 did you compact all these things into a nice little package so that everybody could 10:36 coexist but you could keep evolving? 10:38 It was a tricky one. I think I was older. I didn't get my deal at 21. I was older, 10:46 so I think I'd lived this life, and I think I was very realistic with the business. I kind of 10:52 understood that Atlantic were driven by hit songs, and so I didn't let that affect me because I've 10:59 never been a writer that feels, oh my gosh, I have to write another. I love you as forever, 11:04 and I have to really think of writing pop hits. 11:08 I did stay true to myself as a writer, 11:11 so I just carried on. 11:13 I mean, you know, we moved to Dublin Island 11:15 to make the next record Blue Planet, 11:17 and I just carried on writing 11:18 and doing what I felt was me. 11:21 My management were very good. 11:23 They let me be who I was. 11:25 However, you know, there were a couple of things, 11:27 you know, I remember when the Anastasia song, 11:31 Well, first of all, I remember the film Anastasia asked me to write a song for the end of the film, which I did. 11:38 Then I think they decided to use the song that the writers of the whole musical had written. 11:45 So they asked me if I do this duet with Richard Marks. 11:50 And I think Richard will agree both of us didn't like it at first. 11:55 And I remember feeling Atlantic were kind of, I think you should really do this. 12:00 Right. 12:01 I felt a little bit of, oh well, you're not going to support my second record if I don't 12:06 do it. 12:06 Richard Rhee wrote part of it and you know, it all worked out great and we had Trevor 12:12 Horn produced. 12:13 So it was, you know, great at the end of the day. 12:15 But you know, I made some mistakes along the way. 12:17 I had a couple of things come my way and in my gut I wanted to do them. 12:23 Management in the record label said I don't think you should do that and I didn't 12:28 do it. 12:29 And, you know, you look back and think, damn it, that you're really good to do. 12:33 Right. 12:34 So, you know, as I've aged even more, I really do stick to my guns. 12:41 And I just, you know, I've learned over the years that I just have to be who I am 12:47 and just do the things that I want to do. 12:49 Yeah, exactly. Now, there was a little bit of time there 12:51 that you kind of took yourself out of the spotlight. 12:54 Did you find that helped you grow both as an artist 12:57 And as a person by doing that, I think so, you know, um, you know, I took a chunk of time out when I had my baby boy 13:05 Who's now 23? 13:08 Holy shit. I really you know when that time came I just really wanted to be a mom full time 13:15 Yeah, I just the thought of like going on the road 13:19 I mean I did a few things, you know as he got old right went away on a few occasions to do some work 13:25 but I really didn't like it. I just wanted to be with him all the time. So it was great because 13:32 during that time, being a mum, a full-time mum, I was able to experiment with different genres of 13:39 music, collaborate with people. You know, I was home. I did grow as a person and as a writer 13:47 during that time. Yeah, that's good. Now, you've been very open about your journey with breast 13:53 cancer? Yes. How did that experience change your whole perspective on life? Wow, yeah. And I never, 14:01 you know, it's funny when I was going through it, I never intended to share it because I know there 14:05 are so many people that just share the whole journey. And I remember at the beginning thinking, 14:10 I admire those people because I cannot do this. I feel, you know, awful. My mouth full of ulcers. 14:18 I couldn't, you know, it was awful, but here's the thing. 14:24 You get that diagnosis and it throws your life upside down. 14:29 And then you know that you've got a year of treatment ahead of you where you're not going 14:33 to be able to go out worrying or anything and you're going to have to go through it. 14:37 And it's interesting because when you make that plan and you have your doctors in place, 14:42 you really just go with it. 14:44 It's more scary before you start your treatment because there's a plan and I was very fortunate 14:51 to have great doctors. 14:54 I think it was probably one of the first records, rooms of the view. 14:59 So during my cancer treatment, let's say cancer does overwhelm your life. 15:06 I didn't want that to happen and it's interesting when I was sat at home, journaling how I 15:13 was feeling and Holmes Ives who I met before because he did a couple of remixes of my work 15:20 and he's an electronic producer, he out of the blue sent me a few instrumental tracks 15:25 and said, if you fancy having a go at collaborating on any of these, you know, go ahead. He didn't 15:31 know I was going through my cancer treatment. And so I heard this one piece and it was 15:36 the music for The Messenger and I just happened to be writing about cancer being 15:41 a messenger and how it changes you. You look at life in a very different way. And I started 15:48 to sing all these melodies and write these lyrics and I recorded vocals and sent it to 15:54 him and he loved it and then this whole thing started. 15:59 He didn't know into the, like the fourth song we did together, I told him, by the 16:04 way, I'll tell you what this is about, if it's okay with you. And so it became 16:08 this 10 chapters of my journey. So for me, during that time, it was like therapy for me. 16:16 Because I'm a musician, instead of cancer sort of overwhelming our life, I just felt, okay, 16:23 this is a part of my world that is really me. It's who I am. 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You answered part of my question, 20:57 which is great in the fact that I was going to ask you if music helped you heal. 21:02 Now, during that healing process, you're working on your music, you're going through your treatments. 21:07 How did you process that all? Because treatment can be overwhelming and tie you out so quickly. 21:13 How did you use that and use the music to drive you to blend these two together 21:20 to create that ultimate project that you're proud of? 21:23 Good question. I think for me, you know, like going through radiation, I did five weeks of that every day and we drove two hours there and two hours back to do it. 21:34 I think all this stuff that I was feeling just flooded out, you know, it was the most sort of, it was the greatest time for me as far as like writing lyrics because all this stuff flooded out to me. 21:46 and to the mark that song on that record is all about the radiation process and how it affected me, 21:52 how it was feeling at the time. And I don't even know whether I'm answering your question now. 21:56 Well, that's fine. 21:57 I think it was just, it just helped me enormously, like going through that treatment. Yes, I mean 22:04 probably there was a few weeks of that time when I didn't sing, but it was the period after 22:11 that was done, that I just got a little bit more involved, you know, actually finishing 22:17 the record, because it was easier then to reflect, you know. 22:21 Yeah. 22:21 But it was interesting, you know, when Archie, my son came home for a break from college 22:27 and he's a composer and he was playing the piano and I said to him, I love what you're 22:34 doing. 22:34 I really want to write something to that. 22:36 And that's how the song Rooms of the View was born. 22:39 He's came up with that beautiful piano piece and then I started to write to it and you know 22:44 That was really all about the people that go on that journey with you right that it's hard 22:49 You know, I think people forget sorry if I'm digressing problem, but and sometimes forget 22:54 Yes, we're going through this journey of the medical stuff 22:58 But then also there's another person in the room when you're having your chemo treatments with you watching you 23:04 supporting you and it's really that song is for them because you need those people with you. 23:11 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It sounds to me like you used this to create a deeper level of creativity 23:17 that came out of it. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, because I've always found it, you know, 23:23 when I write that melody comes easy to me, but I think I overthink everything. 23:29 Yeah. I write something and I think, oh my gosh, I've got to make that better. 23:32 that's not good enough. But with Rooms of the View, the whole record, I think probably because Holmes 23:38 was sending me these wonderful like soundscapes and then I could just lose myself in them. 23:46 These lyrics just flooded out and I suppose it's because it's so real, isn't it? Yeah. That happened 23:53 to me so and that was how I was feeling throughout that. Now you've got a new album, 23:58 Wonderlust, what inspired this collection of songs? 24:01 Well, David Lowe, who's very famous for writing the BBC. 24:06 Many, many like TV shows and he's had his own success 24:10 with this big pop song called Would You. 24:13 We've been friends forever. 24:14 We've been friends before we both had our record deals 24:16 and we met in Birmingham. 24:18 We've always like sort of written songs together. 24:22 And so we've always kept in touch over the years 24:24 I'm just trying to think, did he come over in 2017? 24:29 He came over here and we just had a week 24:32 of just getting back together as friends 24:35 and writing in the studio. 24:37 Really, it was just a bit of fun. 24:38 It was just, you know, we were just writing 24:40 these things, he'd come up with tracks 24:41 and I'd be saying like, stop, you know, 24:44 I've got to like put down that little vocal. 24:46 And so we wrote a bunch of songs 24:47 and then a few years later, we did a couple more. 24:52 Then we were talking one day 24:53 and we were saying, you know, we've got all these songs 24:55 and they're just sat on the shelf doing nothing. 24:58 We should put them out. 24:59 And so that's how it all started. 25:02 So a lot of those songs are sort of like kind of the demos 25:06 of some of the things that we were working on. 25:09 And then Meet Me and Fall Back Girl came a little later 25:13 and on the other side, I think that was a little later too. 25:16 And so we just came up with nine or 10 tracks 25:19 and we just thought, let's put it out. 25:21 And what I love about it is that, you know, there was no precious to think about, 25:26 oh my gosh, we've got to put a record out, and it's got to be this kind of thing. 25:29 We just put out every song that we liked, you know, we worked on them a little bit 25:36 to make them a bit better, and they're just born out of this great friendship between us. 25:42 Yeah. Now, if someone's just discovering you today, 25:45 they listen to Wunderlust, then they listen to what you did back in the 90s, some of the 25:53 hit records you have. What would you tell them created that evolution? 25:57 Oh, wow. Gosh, because I feel I'm such a diverse songwriter. When you've got my whole catalogue 26:04 and the people I've worked with, I mean, I've done so many different things, a lot 26:10 of club tracks and a jazz record and all sorts of things. What would I tell them? Well, probably, 26:18 I suppose in the early years, because I'd written those songs for now in a minute and they were 26:25 my babies, I was very obsessed with them. Producing them in the studio. I mean, they had to be just 26:31 so. I was completely like, you know, this is still a control freak, but still, I'm very obsessed 26:38 with everything. Sure. I think over the years of growing older and raising a child and going through 26:46 cancer and being fortunate to do many different types of music, I just, oh my gosh, I've lost my 26:53 train of thought now. Oh my god, I'm just trying to think now what I was going to say. Yes, 27:00 that's what I was going to say. In the early years when I was like so obsessed with everything 27:05 be imperfect. I've got to the stage now my whole evolution of my career. I just feel not as obsessed 27:13 with getting it. I think that's it, is that nothing has to be perfect. It's all about the emotion 27:20 in the song, even if there's cracks in your voice or not in tune or whatever. That's what I've 27:27 really learned. You know, the end of the day, the connection, the emotion is the biggest 27:32 as part of a song. 27:34 Yeah. 27:35 Yes, now in my career, much more free 27:38 about how I work in the studio. 27:41 It sounds to me like you've found an inner peace. 27:45 Yes. 27:46 When you first start recording 27:47 and you've got the pressures of the label, 27:50 the label's trying to tell you what you need to sound like 27:52 but you know what you already wanna sound like. 27:54 Yes. 27:54 As you evolve, you've gone through 27:56 some of the health scares that you've gone through. 27:58 You've gone through life with your son. 28:00 You've evolved into this new album. 28:03 It sounds to me now like you've found that inner piece where you can do what you want. 28:09 You can do what you like and you put it out there because it's the creative process. 28:13 It's not the administration process. 28:16 Exactly. 28:17 Yeah. 28:18 I was very fortunate in the Atlantic days. 28:21 They did, you know, when I got signed, they said, we love your demos. 28:24 We just want you to embellish them. 28:25 So I kind of was let alone, you know, to do the kind of rocker that I wanted. 28:30 They were really good about that, I have to say. 28:33 Because I love you always forever, I had to go in and remix that 28:36 because I just felt it had lost the magic and they let me do that. 28:40 Yeah. 28:41 But yeah, it's true. 28:42 I think, you know, I think with the music at the moment, 28:45 we're so overwhelmed with there's so much music out there. 28:47 There are so many amazing artists out there. 28:50 Right. 28:50 So many people are doing this. 28:52 You can get caught up in spending so long on something. 28:56 Easy. 28:56 And I think it was wonderful. 28:58 I was even thinking, oh my gosh, 29:00 are they really ready to be released? Yeah. They're like our little demos and we haven't 29:05 spent a long time like looking at arrangements and stuff like that. And it was the first time 29:10 really that we thought, you know, let's just have a bit of fun, let's just release them 29:14 and their uplifting songs, you know what I mean? After my last record, even though it's still a 29:19 hopeful record, Rooms of the View, it was, you know, a darkish time in my life. Right. 29:24 So make wonder less this little collection of pop ditties, you know 29:29 Yeah, so if a person presses play on Wanderlust and they listen from the very first song to the very last song 29:36 Yes, what kind of journey do you hope they experience from that? 29:40 I just think it's a journey of adventure and 29:43 Discovery I mean it starts off with Burning Man which is all about the Burning Man Festival
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