The FBI Double Agent Who Targeted the GRU | Naveed Jamali

Naveed Jamali tells the story of how he went from a family business in New York to working with the FBI as a double agent against Russian military intelligence before eventually becoming a Naval Intelligence officer. We also discuss how the Russians recruit assets, the psychological toll of undercover work, encounters with suspected Chinese intelligence, and why counterintelligence still matters today.
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00:00 – Start
05:24 – How a Future Navy Intel Officer Became an FBI Asset
08:18 – Growing Up Around New York’s Espionage World
10:22 – Why New York Is a Hub for Foreign Intelligence
13:18 – How His Parents Became Involved With the FBI
14:25 – A KGB Officer Walks Into the Family Business
18:04 – Russian Surveillance & Sending a Message
19:15 – Meeting Oleg, the GRU Officer
20:15 – Why the Russians Wanted Open-Source Military Material
22:02 – Robert Hanssen & Rebuilding Russia’s Spy Network
23:40 – Russia’s Long-Term Plan to Cultivate an American Asset
26:32 – 9/11 & Wanting to Join Naval Intelligence
28:21 – Pitching Himself to the FBI
30:24 – Using Counterintelligence Work to Get Into the Navy
34:39 – Designing His Own Double-Agent Operation
36:28 – “Does Oleg Have a Gun?”
39:04 – The Psychological Toll of Living Undercover
39:52 – MICE: Why People Become Spies
44:43 – Convincing the Russians He Was Motivated by Money & Ego
48:30 – Taking the Relationship With Oleg to the Next Level
51:06 – Moving the Spy Meetings Out of the Office
52:28 – When Russia Started Tasking Him for Intelligence
53:31 – Walking Into Northrop Grumman for the FBI
55:03 – How Dangerous Was the Operation?
57:05 – Russian Intimidation After the Operation
59:03 – A Suspicious Encounter With Russia Today
1:02:04 – A Russian Approach Targeting a National Security Journalist
1:06:06 – Intelligence Agencies & the Press
1:09:29 – Influencers,...