Tulsi Gabbard's Unorthodox Path to Trump's Intel Team

A deep dive into former Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard, President Trump's pick to be the next Director of National Intelligence. Michael welcomes New York Times Features Writer Elizabeth Williamson who has written about Gabbard. The conversation then expands to Robert F Kennedy Jr's nomination for Health and Human Services Secretary, and we wonder, which of the two has a more difficult path forward? Original air date 30 January 2025.