The Pair Program

The Pair Program is a podcast from hatch I.T. that brings you inside candid, unfiltered conversations with the innovators building mission-driven technology.Hosted by Tim Winkler, Founder & CEO of hatch I.T., the show pairs two guests per episode from across startups, venture capital, government, and industry to explore how ideas turn into products, how partnerships actually form, and how talent powers innovation in high-stakes environments.The show features a rotating co-host format designed to match the conversation to the mission: • Mike Gruen joins Tim for episodes centered on commercial product startups, product strategy, engineering leadership, and scaling modern software companies. • Sean Leahy joins Tim for episodes focused on defense, national security, and critical infrastructure. Across defense, healthcare, cybersecurity, energy, manufacturing, space, and emerging tech, The Pair Program is built around one simple idea:Two perspectives. One mission.Rather than su