Why is our Prime Minister making jokes about trans people?

How has Rishi Sunak shown so little emotional intelligence that he ended up making his customary 'trans joke'?

In the presence of the mother of a brutally murdered trans teenager.

What does this tell us about the disconnect between his politics and the people he serves? And what does it mean for the divisive culture war that has formed the rump of so much recent conservative campaigning?

Today we discuss decency, standards in public life and leadership with Lord Simon McDonald, and ask whether we've allowed intolerable rhetoric to become normalised in the slapstick of party politics.

Editor: Tom Hughes

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Producer: Laura FitzPatrick

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