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Lucas and Luna dissect the machinery behind modern marketing operations — the software stacks, automation workflows, and data pipelines that turn campaigns into measurable systems. Each episode picks apart a specific MarTech tool or ops strategy: how a retailer automated its email segmentation with Customer.io, why a B2B SaaS company rebuilt its attribution model around HubSpot and Snowflake, or the trade-offs between Zapier and Make for lead routing. Lucas, a former marketing ops lead, grounds every discussion in actual implementations and failure cases; Luna challenges assumptions about efficiency gains and hidden costs — the 'automation tax' of maintenance, the data-quality debt that accumulates when teams move too fast. They never pitch tools or evangelize automation for its own sake. Instead, they ask: Does this stack actually reduce friction for the marketing team? Or are we just layering complexity? The listener is the marketing ops manager, the growth engineer, or the CMO who w
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