Show full transcript 0:41 Like I'm trying to I guess what some people are saying. It's like, you know, the 0:45 A model a test model car like it this will not this is the version where your concept car 0:50 Yeah, yeah, well there first of all it probably won't be released anywhere near when they say it's gonna be released 0:56 Just based on what he's done in the past. I mean the Roadster. There's a lot of people that paid 0:59 $250,000 for the Roadster in 2017 1:04 Yeah, I know and like imagine you did that back then and you were expecting that car 1:10 You got a completely different design. Yeah, I mean a completely different looking car now 1:15 It has the fucking Lamborghini doors. Yeah, and it flies 1:20 What this guy's nuts? I would 1:23 It's so out of his mind. He's got too much money. He just does whatever the fucking wants 1:28 I'm not with you a car that's fake with wires and stuff 1:30 Some people said that there was wires on cranes and yeah, I don't that I'm not buying that no 1:34 Well, there is already a car that does that trick where it can go upside down. There's this really there's this race car 1:42 God I forget the name of it, but it actually has a fan 1:45 Underneath the bottom of the car that acts as a suction and this car does insane lap times because it's absolutely 1:53 Glued to the ground perfect handling. Yeah perfect handling and it's only a one-seater car 1:58 McMurt that trees burrow. Yeah 2:00 Put your headphones on shit watch this thing put it see if you can find it's a it's a hype 2:08 Yeah, see that's it. It goes upside down. This thing is literally crazy 2:12 It it blows away all of the lap times on every single racetrack 2:17 Because first of all, it's really light really tiny has insane power because it's all electric 2:24 And it has so much suction at the bottom that it can go upside down 2:28 So they were the first ones to at least demo this type of tech and they did it on this car 2:34 Like this car literally has so much suction. Give me some volume so you can hear this 2:39 So this is a literal suction cup underneath the engine that's allowing this thing 2:44 To hold this entire body weight, which has got to be like I would imagine at least close to two thousand pounds 2:51 I wonder if it's one of those carbon fiber bodies carbon fiber editing with the engines and the batteries 2:58 so if it was a 3:01 Combustion engine car maybe it could be under two thousand pounds like there's a few porches like they make some 3:08 really old like 3:10 Resto mod porches from like the 1960s and early 1970s that can get under two thousand pounds 3:17 They like there's this guy that worked for I think he worked for Bugatti or something like that 3:25 One of those crazy high-tech car companies and he built a car that was completely the opposite 3:30 He built a car where he stripped everything out of it. He made like a 1969 Porsche 3:35 Stripped everything out of it made all of the panels fiberglass and he got it to like 1800 pounds. Wow 3:41 and the idea is like that is like the most 3:46 visceral driving experience, the most connected you are to a car, the lighter they are. The 3:52 heavier they are, they can get really crazy with performance. My Tesla is probably like 3:57 4,000 pounds, but it's like a time machine. 4:00 Isn't the Cybertruck like 7 or 8 or something like that? 4:02 Well, that's even bigger. I have the Model S, but the Cybertruck, it's all cold stamp 4:08 steel. I think that's the type of steel, but it's incredibly heavy. 4:12 I ordered one of those and then I ended up pulling out what I regret it. I don't know. I just I wanted one 4:18 I loved I just like the idea of it very seldom that I would look at a car and just smile every time 4:22 I looked at a car and every time I looked at that cyber truck 4:25 I just smiled so I was like I kind of want one of those and then I put the money down my wife was like 4:29 What are you doing? 4:31 And I was like I want one like I've always been a Ford guy, so I've got like a Ford tremor 4:36 which I love that truck and 4:38 So I put the money down and then I started hearing like other guys got them and they're like oh 4:42 There's some issues and bugs being worked out so as a coward and I pulled out I shouldn't have done it 4:46 But I did well you can get one now. Yeah. Yeah, I mean they're making I'm sure they make them better now 4:51 I'm sure they're oh, yeah, they figured out whatever the kinks were any other thing 4:54 Yeah, the first generation it's gonna have kinks that have to be worked out 4:57 Yeah 4:57 There's some issues or people like pulling the panels off and some of the panels were like literally glued on 5:02 But they fixed all that stuff now so this is the thing in the air 5:06 Honestly though I completely honestly I like the look of the original model better. I do too. That's that's I think it looked cooler 5:14 Yeah, original roadster. It looked more like a modern supercar and that looks more like a 5:21 Lamborghini looks like a Lamborghini had a baby with a cyber truck, right? 5:25 Yeah, and then not even like a new Lamborghini like a Lamborghini from the 90s. Yeah, which are cool like a coontosh 5:31 Yeah, it's just like it like that one is 5:35 That's slick. That's that thing's sick. That looks amazing. That's the I mean, maybe they could redo that. I don't know 5:44 I don't crazy world 5:47 It's these things are weird. It's weird that you can get a car that goes zero to sixty 5:51 That is gonna be real. It's gonna go zero to sixty in under a second. That's fucking well at that test 5:56 It was point eight point nine seconds. Yeah, that's crazy. That's that's like you're gonna liquefy your insides 6:01 You go any faster. Well, it's half the speed of sound 6:04 Right, I mean it's a full top speed rather. It's top speed is half the speed of sound 6:10 Which is just insane. I think it's like top speed is over 300 miles an hour 6:15 What is half the speed of sound is like 380 or something said 360 360 that's insane. That's fucking insane. I 6:24 Mean I like going fast, but I don't know if I want to go that fast. I I like I 6:30 I like going fast, but what I really like 6:33 is the feeling of a car. 6:35 That's what, unless you're a race car driver, 6:38 all the how fast you go is all horseshit. 6:40 They're all fast. 6:41 Every car's fast. 6:42 You can get a, you want to like the bargain, 6:45 this is like the absolute best cool car bargain. 6:48 Get a Ford Mustang GT. 6:50 My favorite car of all time, 6:52 and I've been saying this for years 6:53 and I've never bought one, 6:54 but my sister and her husband used to race 6:57 Mustangs and he had a 71 Ford Mach 1 with the big, big back end and he eventually 7:04 turned it into like what they call a super calm funny car so it became alcohol 7:08 fueled and the only thing that was original was like the back end but 7:11 everything else got replaced over time it was a funny car essentially but I've 7:14 been in love with that car since I was like eight years old like I just look 7:17 at that and I think to myself that is like that is muscle car par excellence 7:21 like it's the perfect yeah and those cars aren't the best to drive no 7:25 They don't handle that good now, but it's the feeling that you get when you're driving them 7:29 It's like you're driving a ride like when my kids were little they used to love this one ride at Disneyland 7:35 God, what is it called? It's it's based on the movie cars 7:39 It's like you get in a car and you're kind of steering and you're going out 7:43 It's like you're on tracks and you're going like the lightning McQueen car 7:47 Yeah, I forget there's two car rides. There's one car ride where you're not steering 7:52 You're just in a car. It's like a roller coaster and there's a car next to you. You're supposedly racing 7:56 This one's different this one you you get in these little cars 7:59 You actually do kind of steer them huh, and they're they're fun and it's not fast 8:03 It's like but it's like loud and you feel the steering and the engine like that's what I like 8:09 I like cars that engage you like they 8:13 There's a visceral connection. There's like there's some sort of a mechanical connection. 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Bonus bets expire 7 days after issuance. 11:10 For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, 11:13 see sportsbook.draftkings.com slash promos, 11:16 limited time offer. 11:17 That's what I like. 11:18 Yeah, I did driving courses while I was in the military. 11:21 We had like what you would call, 11:23 I guess it was called at the time 11:24 like a high risk officer pipeline. 11:26 So the, I guess like the expectation 11:29 would be at some point you might be caught or captured. 11:31 So there's all these different courses 11:32 that they send you through. 11:33 That makes sense. 11:34 In order to, you know. 11:36 Sure. 11:36 It's like Sierra School on steroids. 11:38 But one of the courses was, for like a week and a half, 11:42 all you do is learn how to drive. 11:44 Like they have rally car instructors come 11:49 and teach you how to drive and like how to do trail turns 11:52 and how to navigate a course 11:56 and then you do on-road, off-road, 11:58 and like they put you in all kinds of crazy scenarios. 12:00 Like at one point they drive you up to a checkpoint 12:02 and you've got a bag over your head 12:05 and they put you at the checkpoint and they say, 12:07 We're going to take this bag off, when we take the bag off of your head, react to the 12:12 situation like it's an operational scenario and you can employ whatever you need to do. 12:16 They basically just want to see how you do under pressure, but it's part of the car course. 12:21 So you're at this checkpoint and for me it was, the guards started freaking out and 12:27 then they're shooting blanks and stuff and basically they just want to see, because 12:30 they teach you exactly how to do it, like you plant your left foot or yeah you 12:37 and then steering backwards and like, 12:39 how can you navigate a serpentine in reverse in a car 12:44 while under fire and get out of a situation? 12:47 It was a lot of fun. 12:47 The courses were a ton of fun 12:48 and you learn like from the best drivers in the world. 12:51 And like everything in life, 12:54 you think you have a conception 12:56 of how these things will be before you get into them. 12:59 It's like golf. 13:00 Like I really, I've gotten to golf years ago 13:02 because I was told I would suck at it 13:04 and because I was a rugby player at the time. 13:05 And it was my you know father-in-law said you're not a golfer you're you're a large blunt instrument 13:12 Like go keep playing rugby and so I was like fuck this guy 13:17 Fucking be good as good as golf as I can so 13:20 You know at first I was trying to lift the ball or I was trying to 13:25 Overcorrect and and prevent a slice by really strengthening my grip. It was actually no you got a hit from the inside to the out 13:32 You got to transfer your weight here 13:34 If you want the ball to go high, you need to hit down on it, and it was the same thing 13:38 with cars. 13:39 If you want to drive fast, keep your tires in contact with the road as much as possible. 13:44 Use the brake to front load the weight, because we are driving Interceptor and Paula's in 13:49 the course. 13:50 So it's like most of the weight's in the front, so you want to apply brakes through 13:53 the corners. 13:54 People think fast and furious is like the fastest way to drive a car. 13:57 I should say the public consciousness, obviously anyone who's ever been around 14:01 a race car driver or watches race cars knows, you need the wheels in contact with the road 14:05 as much as possible, you try to draw a straight line through the course and navigate that straight 14:11 line. 14:11 So if you're cutting corners and stuff like that to keep the cars as straight a line as 14:15 possible, steer as little as possible, don't oversteer like you always see in the movies 14:19 like people are oversteering like the car, it's like, no, like the guy in the course 14:24 was like, never oversteer. 14:25 If you have to put one hand over the other, you're failing. 14:28 Feed one hand, feed the wheel from one hand to the other 14:32 and take a trail turn and if you oversteer, 14:35 you're gonna lose contact with the ground 14:36 and you're gonna be slower. 14:38 So it was all these opposites. 14:40 I guess the point is- 14:41 Opposites of perception, you mean? 14:43 Yeah, you have a perception going in that this is like 14:45 a fast, like when I get really good at this course, 14:47 I'm gonna be, you know, what do they call it? 14:50 Like in Fast and the Furious, 14:51 when they're, you know, taking a really tight corner 14:54 and their back end swings out 14:56 And it's the cars yes squealing. Yeah remember the sliding drifting drifting drifting like you think like you know 15:02 25 30 year old me at the time 15:04 It's like this is what I'm gonna be doing by the end of the course like no apply the brake and take the turn 15:08 Correct turn it correctly keep the wheels on the ground 15:11 Yeah, that's the key is knowing the limitations of the car and being able to avoid doing that 15:16 Yeah, but it's been like it around quicker. It's been the case for me in life anytime. I learned something at a very high level 15:21 um like even with archery like 15:24 the slower you can pull the trigger on the release and my instinct would be 15:31 like snap slap it and some people slap it and do fine but for me it's the same 15:35 with long-distance shooting like when I take a long-distance shooting course 15:37 pull that trigger so you almost can't even anticipate where the words 15:44 gonna fire at what point it's gonna fire like manipulate the play and 15:47 pull the trigger slow as possible and that will be the most accurate shot 15:51 You're going to take if the shot surprises you nine times that attendance going to be more accurate than a shot that you've anticipated 15:56 Right because you're anticipating recoil. Yeah, there's there's a caveat to that 16:01 The caveat to that is there's some very high-level archers that win a lot of big tournaments that do what they call command trigger 16:10 for sure and 16:11 I think what's going on there is those guys learned how to shoot a surprise shot first and 16:17 And they'll those guys almost all those guys those target guys they use a hinge 16:22 Yep, and or the least sometimes they use a hinge a lot of them use thumb buttons now 16:26 But and they use a thumb button like a hedge 16:28 They just load it up with back pressure until it goes off. Yeah in a surprise shot 16:31 But there's there's guys like James Lutz and there's a few of these Kyle Douglas 16:37 Tim Gillingham these guys win giant tournaments and they command shoot. Yeah. Yeah, so they shoot 16:44 What they do is they put the pin over the and they know how to stay stable 16:47 Yeah, and they've done it for so long and they have tremendous back pressure on the trigger or on the bow 16:54 They're pulling yeah, and then they hit the trigger when they want it to go 16:57 Yeah, they can keep their shit together, and I think it's it's a mental thing 17:00 The real problem with people in target panic is two things one if you're in a tournament like in your shooting if you're 17:07 Getting tired like those guys are shooting if people have never seen a Vegas round 17:12 So what a Vegas round is 17:14 You have three targets and you're shooting at 20 meters and you're shooting you're trying to hit a dime at 20 meters 17:23 30 times and so that's how you get a 300 score. Yep. This guy Lutz just shot 17:30 719 so he out of 720 720 is possible 17:35 So at a 72 arrows this motherfucker only got a nine once and he's command shooting 17:42 Yeah, this is the thing. It's like so it's not it's not a steadfast rule 17:47 Yeah, but to overcome the pressure of that anticipation and flinching 17:54 That's when people turn to a surprise shot. I think the pressure is the problem 18:00 It's not the technique of releasing because if you show someone how to shoot a bow and they put the target 18:06 They put the pin over the target. They hit the trigger 18:09 for a while they're good at it, right? 18:11 So what happens? 18:12 What makes them not be good anymore? 18:15 Well, it's clearly their mind. 18:18 It's clearly the pressure. 18:19 And so I think maybe you can be just as accurate, 18:24 if not more accurate, using a command shot, 18:27 but you need to understand how your mind is working 18:29 and you need to understand how to mitigate pressure 18:32 and how to stay calm. 18:35 And I think there's only a few ways to do that. 18:37 There's there's strategies that you can use you can learn techniques 18:40 But the reality is when a moment a big moment hits you you're gonna freak out 18:44 So I think the strategy might be just have a bunch of big moments have more big moments in your life more 18:51 Instances in your life where you have to deal with pressure and that kind of tracks with everything else in life 18:57 The people that have dealt with pressure that understand pressure and and know how to perform 19:03 They can kind of do anything you can kind of go from that and be involved in all sorts of other things and involve pressure 19:10 But if you don't know pressure at all 19:12 And then all sudden there's a screaming bull elk in front of you at 40 yards and all you've been shooting at is a target 19:18 Yeah, you're gonna panic. Yes, especially if you're not a pressure person. Yes 19:23 Now if you are a pressure person, you're probably still gonna freak out the first couple of times 19:27 Yeah, but eventually you'll figure it out. Yeah, your road to figuring out be a lot quicker 19:32 Yeah, if you've dealt with pressure in the past. That's what I think I honor with Spartan Forge 19:37 We have a guy on the on our ambassadors. I guess you'd call him. I don't like any of the terms 19:41 He's a guy that we trust to consult for us on features in the app and then he'll talk about the app 19:46 It's his name is Levi Morgan. Oh, he's a fantastic archer 19:51 And just spending time around those guys 19:53 They they definitely have a way of because we had an archery competition a couple of years ago 19:58 Everyone in the company and he was part of it. What's funny is 20:01 Now if we were to do this nine times out of 10, 20:03 this guy wouldn't win, 20:04 but one of my engineers is this killer named Evan Freed, 20:08 and he and Levi were in the final, 20:10 like 20 guys started this archery competition. 20:13 It was the two of them at the very end and Evan beat them. 20:16 Oh my God. 20:17 I couldn't believe it. 20:18 Weaponized autism. 20:19 He's one of them. 20:21 He's one of them. 20:22 I mean, he absolutely was a stone cold killer. 20:25 And then we did it with these other guys 20:26 at a tack event, like a total archery challenge. 20:29 We went how much did he beat Levi Morgan by I mean he won 20:33 I don't remember exactly what the Delta was, but he won that's crazy 20:36 And nobody could believe it like everyone looked at him like John freakin wick for the last 20:40 For the rest of the leak and like who is this guy that just went and shot at the king and didn't miss 20:45 And Levi's the best in the world and like I said if they had done that nine times more right Levi would have won 20:51 The next nine, but for one moment, maybe for one moment. He was Prometheus 20:56 I don't know about that see there's that we're going back to the mind again if he can do it once why can he keep doing it? 21:02 Yeah, maybe I mean there you go Evan 21:03 Maybe you should quit as an engineer for me and go and be a professional archer 21:07 There's a lot of these rules that people have for things and I'm like well 21:11 Who invents these rules other people and a lot of times people invent rules to sort of 21:17 to kind of 21:19 Rationalize or deal with their own struggles, right? 21:22 So they invent rules of like what you can and can't do what you can and can't get away with what works and what doesn't work 21:29 You don't even know what works if you try it and it works. 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Yeah, and it might not work for everyone 22:57 Well another example of this would be Cam Haynes. He doesn't he really slap the mm-hmm whenever he fires 23:04 He kind of pulls it slowly back, but he does it's a definitely a command shot 23:09 Yeah, but then again look at first of all his ability to deal with pressure 23:13 Yeah, right he runs 300 mile races does all this crazy shit on top of that. He's been a hunter for 30 years 23:20 Yes, yeah, probably more probably 40 now, right? 23:23 So he's been hunting most of his life and he's had so much experience pulling the trigger on animals 23:29 Yeah, yeah, and that reps. It's all about reps. It's all about reps with everything in life 23:33 And it's all about it's not just reps. It's recent reps 23:37 You know, it's like having the amount of repetitions like recently to the point where it's a normal natural part of your psychology 23:45 The way your mind works. I'll do that with whitetail hunting is I always make sure I try to kill two or three dough 23:50 Before I really start zeroing in on going for a buck. Mm-hmm because if a buck's the first thing 23:54 I'm looking at and it's been nine months since I've hunted or six months or whatever since I've hunted 23:58 I'll still get it 23:59 I've been hunting for 25 years and I'll still freak out buck fever or get the adrenaline dropped afterwards 24:04 I don't usually get the I've never really gotten the adrenaline drop when it's happening 24:08 But as soon as that arrow is loosed, then I'm like 24:12 Just like freaking out like I don't even know what happened 24:14 Well, at least you can keep it together before the arrow is loose because that's where most people fall apart 24:18 I mean I've seen professional, you know, I don't want to call them professional hunters 24:22 But people that make their living as hunting influencers and they have these videos and you can watch them on YouTube 24:27 And they're shaking like a leaf when they drawn back their bow and they're like wow 24:31 This guy's been hunting for 40 years. Yeah, and he still gets jazzed up. Yeah, there's something about that 24:36 I think it's why we all want to keep hunting right because it's probably why I do why it well 24:41 It's hard to do for sure, but it's wired into our, you know 24:45 Whatever however we evolve however we established over time one thing is true 24:49 Is that we were able to stick around and have success because we had these groups of hunters that would go out and hunt for the 24:54 tribe. So there's wiring in us that that hunting might be the only way or one of 25:01 the few ways to tap into that in a way that your body immediately understands. 25:05 Fishing is too. Yeah, fishing. I always bring, well I have these comparisons that I 25:10 do. It's one of the reasons why I say I never go to protests because protests 25:13 are like fishing. This is why. Like fishing is a part of your DNA. Like you 25:18 get a little kid when my daughter was five, it was like the first time I took 25:21 fishing when she caught a fish she was like so excited oh oh oh it's in you it's 25:26 in you you know that catching this thing means your your body's rewarding you 25:31 with all these good feelings and good endorphins because now you're gonna eat 25:34 you're gonna be able to feed your family you're gonna be able to survive when 25:38 you're protesting and everyone's walking down the street chanting and 25:42 cheering that's too much like war yeah that excites the part of the brain 25:48 That thinks we're supposed to smash Starbucks to crush the patriarchy. Yeah, or whatever the fuck you want to do 25:53 I think it's on fire when you see people behaving with you know air quotes mob mentality. What is that? 26:00 I'll tell you what that is. That's war 26:02 That's your body's ability to recognize that it's you with a bunch of other people that are supposed to be on your side 26:10 You're in a life-or-death situation and you're against another team 26:14 And you're marching and chanting and screaming and everybody's hyped up and next thing you know 26:19 Violence breaks off and everybody gives into that feeling giving into the kind of behavior that would be almost 26:26 Impossible to imagine if you were by yourself. Yeah, smashing someone's car window where you're by yourself 26:31 Walking up to Starbucks with a fucking traffic cone and breaking the window and diving in and throwing things off the shelves 26:38 You would never do that while you're by yourself. Why are you doing it with this giant group of people? 26:42 Yeah, it's it's the war thing. It's just like the fishing thing. Yeah, you know like the oh, it's in you 26:48 It's that circuit let's go you start black lives matter whatever it is whatever it is, you know, no kings 26:53 Yeah, whatever it is. Yeah, you start marching down the street free Palestine 26:57 You know these fucking buildings are keeping us for free in Palestine 27:00 You want to light them on fire and that's what people do 27:03 It's it's a normal part of us that allowed us to survive 27:08 to 2026 with tribal warfare that we needed that circuitry and that feeling 27:13 that you get from catching a fish multiply that times a thousand for 27:19 archery elk hunting yeah it's it's off the charts the highs and the lows there 27:25 was a deer I was chasing I'm more of a white tail hunter I've only been elk 27:29 hunting twice I want to do it more I just haven't had the time and I lived 27:32 on the Eastern Sea Ward most my career as in the military so the option of 27:36 going west and out hunting wasn't in the cards for me. 27:38 So I mostly whitetail hunted, but a couple of years ago 27:41 I was hunting a public lamb buck in the Allegheny 27:45 that was 12 years old. 27:46 Where's the Allegheny? 27:49 Well, it wasn't actually the Allegheny. 27:51 It was east of there, but it's north central Pennsylvania 27:55 would have been the better way to say it. 27:57 But I just say Allegheny because that's near there. 27:59 It's farther east of there. 28:00 It's actually a couple hours east of there. 28:02 But anyway, I was hunting up there 28:04 And there's Buck everyone had knew about and he was old and huge and at one point he was like a hundred and seventy inches and 28:11 That's pretty big for a public land white tailed buck huge and everyone knew about it 28:16 And I was going up into this area to hunt where there he had been historically during the rut 28:22 Thermals were wrong in the area thermal draw was pulling and or it was rising still and it should have been pulling at 28:28 This point so I was like this is a bad spot like where where he's at 28:30 He's gonna smell me coming in so I'm just gonna walk to a different part 28:33 So I walked to the front of the mountain and just went up there where I knew the thermals would be better and 28:39 He was on a dough and I was still on the ground 28:41 I hadn't even got climbed a tree yet 28:42 I was on the ground and he was pushing a dough into like a ditch and then he popped out and when I saw him 28:47 I was like holy crap. That's him like that's the monarch everyone called him the monarch and I was like 28:52 Like I'm still like freaking out anyway 28:55 I pulled back and put it right and like double lung them at like 35 yards and 29:00 and I had an adrenaline drop for like 25 minutes afterwards. 29:04 I couldn't even call my buddy to come and help me drag him 29:08 because I was freaking out so bad. 29:11 And it was a consequence of like three years 29:13 of knowing this buck existed or that he was in the area. 29:16 And then you put all of this time in, 29:18 like way more time than you should to chase this animal 29:21 and you have this goal 29:22 and then all of a sudden it's in front of you 29:24 and you're like, 29:24 I can't believe this is happening, this is happening. 29:26 And then I always say the same thing 29:28 I used to say in the military when I was shooting, 29:30 which was to kind of get into my zoning out mode. 29:35 I had this acronym I learned in the military, 29:37 which was STAB, steady position, trigger squeeze, 29:40 aiming and breathing. 29:41 So every time I'm at full draw, 29:42 I say to myself very silently, 29:44 I'm just like steady position, slow trigger squeeze, 29:47 aim, breathe, and then I always breathe 29:49 at the perigee of my breath. 29:50 So I'll take a big breath in, 29:52 I'll breathe all the way out 29:53 so there's no air in my body and then slow pull. 29:56 And when I say that, 29:57 When I remember to say that to myself, then it's kind of like any panic or anything kind of fall away 30:03 And I'm just focused on the task of study position trigger squeeze aiming breathing 30:06 But it happened for like 25 minutes afterwards. Do you have have you studied any a Joel Turner stuff? 30:11 Huh, I know who he is. Yeah, we've talked on Instagram a couple of times 30:15 I've I mean I've watched some videos but to say I've studied him or I know the whole story 30:19 I would that be an accurate well his strategy is essentially what you just outlined just with different words 30:24 But the same the same thing he he says you should talk to yourself through the entire shot 30:30 So that you make this a closed loop thing. Yeah instead of an open loop thing 30:35 And so what that means is an open loop thing is like swinging a baseball bat once you start to swing it you're swinging it 30:40 Yeah, all right. It's going yeah, and 30:42 closed loop thing is something you could stop at any moment like writing when you're writing something down 30:47 You could just stop that pen at any moment. It's not like it gets away from you 30:51 Right so the thing about an archery shot is you can kind of get away from you and that's when you flinch and that's when you're 30:56 Six inches off the mark. Yeah at 20 yards, and you don't understand what happened and that's that's what he 31:02 teaches people to avoid and he was a 31:06 SWAT team member and okay, he would teach people 31:09 Proper techniques in order to only he learned psychology and he learned like what's going on in the mind in 31:15 Order to be able to execute in those situations that are extremely high stress 31:19 hostage situations. Like you had to shoot somebody that was holding someone hostage. 31:24 Right. See, he's been in those things and he realizes that that's a life or death 31:29 situation that can be mitigated by a certain amount of understanding of what's 31:33 happening in the mind and what causes open loop or closed loop thinking. And 31:38 so what you're doing is instigating closed loop thinking by talking to 31:42 yourself the entire time. So by having every moment controlled and every 31:48 moment calm and you have a system and you're actually saying that system through your head 31:52 that's what keeps you in the present in the moment instead of just panicking like a lot 31:58 of people do. 31:58 We've all seen it. 31:59 People just freak out. 32:00 Yes. 32:01 And some people don't understand what is happening in their mind so they just repeat 32:05 these things over and over again and they have good days and bad days and they don't 32:08 understand where the bad days are coming from and what is it? 32:11 Well what it is is your mind got away from you and sometimes the mind can just 32:15 run amok. 32:17 Yeah. 32:17 It can just take it like that's why people have anxiety attacks 32:20 I mean, yeah, maybe some of the reasons why people I don't want to say but I don't know why people have anxiety attacks 32:25 But some people have anxiety attacks because they start thinking about something and dreading it 32:31 And then it builds up in their mind 32:33 And then all sudden it's just a runaway train inside their brain 32:37 And they haven't developed personal methods for stopping that and mitigating that kind of stress and and 32:44 recognizing what's happening while it's happening and then talking yourself down 32:48 off the ledge and just peace of mind getting getting yourself to a peaceful 32:53 place some people don't have those strategies so the moment something goes 32:58 sideways especially if they're not used to pressure the moment something goes 33:02 sideways it just runs away from that yeah so lots of people say lots of 33:06 things about me I remember Andy on here talking smack about me being 33:10 in Captain America of Autism. 33:12 That's the first thing that comes to mind. 33:14 Andy's the best. 33:15 I mean, I talk to Andy almost every day. 33:17 He's become one of my closest, 33:19 like I shouldn't say closest friends, 33:20 I should say someone I regularly talk to 33:23 and he's good for me 33:24 because he's kind of the opposite of me in ways like he, 33:28 like my wife and I are good for each other 33:30 in the way that she worries about everything. 33:32 She's worried right now. 33:34 She's sitting outside worried out of her mind right now 33:37 about something, probably something 33:38 she hasn't even talked to me about. 33:39 I almost worry about nothing until it becomes something that's important to me like if someone asks me to do some work 33:47 Or something that's particularly important 33:50 Then I care about like okay this work will represent me. I got to do it as diligently as I can 33:56 My representation reflects on my family. So then things I start caring about things 34:00 But if I do have a superpower 34:02 I would say it was imposed on me in a weird way by my mother my mother was a 34:07 alcoholic and would go to AA meetings and drag me along like when I was really young and 34:14 She they would say their serenity prayer at the beginning of every 34:18 Alcoholics an honest meeting, which is God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change 34:23 Courage to change the things I can wisdom to the difference 34:25 So I'd be standing here and watching these people tell these insane stories like I went on the seven-day bender 34:31 I'm from Missouri. I woke up in Las Vegas, and I just like what am I doing here? 34:35 I'm like nine years old, like what is what is happening, but that did stick with me and 34:41 I 34:42 Would say that's one of my superpowers is if I can't affect something 34:45 I don't worry about it like if there's nothing I can do about it 34:48 Like I just had a conversation with my daughter about this last night who's worried about teenager things 34:52 I was like look, you know, I've told you the serenity prayer your Alma my mother used to tell you tell me 34:58 Like try to just live by that and that kind of goes to the things we're talking about with shooting is 35:03 Let's just focus on the things we control and let's develop a heuristic or a way to get through this closed loop system 35:09 That you're talking about and for me 35:11 It was a heuristic because it was just something the military taught me that worked particularly well 35:15 I didn't know all the psychology or stuff that you're talking about it there 35:18 But I would say if I had one superpower 35:20 It's my ability to just not care when I can't affect the outcome. That's very wise 35:25 I wouldn't say yeah, and I wouldn't say it's my wisdom 35:27 It's something I adopted from someone else 35:29 But it served me particularly well in life because whether it was in Iraq or Afghanistan or the Philippines or Africa or 35:36 Anywhere else I was in like a shady situation is like okay. This is going horribly. What can I focus on? 35:42 I can get on the radio. I can do this I can do that like let's do those things and 35:47 Let's get out of here 35:48 And so it's it's served me really well 35:52 So well, I think that's the proper strategy for navigating life correctly 35:57 I think the opposite like just freaking out about everything every time it happens that just doesn't 36:03 Doesn't serve you. I think 36:07 What we're talking about really is an issue to like think about all the things you just said all the different places you were were things one sideways like 36:13 Most people don't have those experiences and that's one of the reasons why most people are not resilient 36:19 And I think you need a certain amount of very high-pressure situations in your life in order to kind of 36:28 Galvanize your character. Yeah, you know find out who you are when you're down 36:32 You don't know who you are like we've all seen these guys 36:35 They're getting fistfights online 36:38 And they these videos online and they don't know how to fight and yet they talk themselves into this fight 36:42 They because it's almost like they want to believe and they want to convince this other person 36:49 They have a fight and then they think they're gonna be able to do it and everyone's watching 36:53 I'm just gonna hit this guy and it doesn't work out and they wind up a highlight reel and 36:57 Everyone makes fun of them and then their life is literally ruined now 37:01 When I was a kid if you got your ass kicked no one knew but you and the guys who kicked your ass 37:05 Yeah, and it happened all the time for me. It was like every two or three weeks. I'm gonna be getting a fight 37:10 Yeah, fighting was so common for me growing up in like in a farm town in the middle of North Dakota 37:14 Oh, I'm sure it was the highlight of our month 37:15 Nothing else to do if the school bully and someone else threw down or whatever and that guy won or like it was just like 37:21 This is awesome, but everybody got over it after a while and you forgot about the fight because there'd been 10 other fights since then and 37:28 Life moved on. Yeah now if you get your ass fucked up in a if you go to talk some shit to some dude in a convenience store in front of his 37:35 Girlfriend he KO's you with a can at something like I someone's got the thing in your face like oh shit 37:41 Yeah, knock the fuck out the internet remembers they remember forever and all your friends remember all the people that hate you remember 37:48 You become a meme. Yeah, it's 37:51 way more difficult time to fuck up than ever in the past. 37:55 It's one of those things too where, 37:57 I said this while, I just did Annie's podcast 37:59 like three weeks ago, but it's like essentially we can, 38:04 if you don't force, you talked about resilience, 38:07 but if you don't force the harshness of nature upon you, 38:13 like if you don't adopt it and try to put yourself 38:15 in situations where things will get hard 38:17 so you can find out who you are, 38:19 and you can do this in a multitude of ways, right? 38:20 But you can do it with jujitsu. 38:21 You can go to a jujitsu gym and get your ass handed to you time after time and just understand 38:26 like, okay, I'm not the bad ass I thought I was. 38:28 And there's a whole wealth of things that I can learn for the next 50 years. 38:31 And so you're adopting something or like hunting, my friends that I do, we do fasted 38:36 hunts together. 38:36 We were going to do this one this year, but Spartan Forge kept me fasted. 38:40 So what we do is we take a cooler. 38:43 We pack it with drinks and food and accoutrements like salads and stuff like that. 38:49 And then we get a Yeti and we lock it and then one of the wives has the code for the Yeti 38:55 And she doesn't give us the code for the Yeti until we kill something 38:58 So we have to send her a picture of a dough or send a picture of a buck or something like that 39:02 And so we'll just have salt water and we'll fast for two or three days 39:06 And then you know somebody kills a dough finally like there's in the past when we do it 39:10 There'd be five or six of us 39:11 So someone's gonna kill in the first few couple of days the shortest time was ever like 36 hours along this time 39:17 I think we went four days and you're just hunting fasted and 39:21 It's the best feeling in the world when someone texts and says like dough down 39:26 It's like when you're three days into like and I'm a heavy guy 39:29 So I can go a long time without food like I usually do a quarterly fast where I'll go the shortest is usually two or three days 39:36 And the longest I'll do is seven days 39:38 But isn't that different when you're out hunting like you're burning off a lot of down a lot quicker 39:43 Yeah, yeah, so like by day three you're hurting and so we we we have always killed within was except for one time 39:51 We've always killed within three days 39:52 But the sense of community and we talked about the wiring that it taps into like when you're sitting around a fire with like 39:59 56 people and nobody's eaten and now you're texting the photo and you're opening the cooler 40:04 Yeah, you want to you want to cry almost you're like, oh man, you're the best 40:08 I just I can't believe you did this is the best day ever. 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You're gonna be fine one of the things that works really well for my wife is 43:39 I'll tell her to do something creative when she's feeling anxiety. She'll like paint or mm-hmm draw or build something or do something 43:47 And that's great to be a good way to get like the creative juices flowing and just like complete something 43:52 Because I think one of the other problems 43:54 is that we work, both of us work in the tech industry, 43:58 and the job's never done. 44:00 Like when you're building software, 44:02 you're building things like, 44:03 it almost never gets finished. 44:05 It's always like we're done with this thing, 44:06 it's on to the next thing. 44:08 So you don't get that sense of like, 44:10 you know, I would go back to North Dakota every year 44:13 and just farm and drive beat trucks for like two weeks. 44:16 I'd take vacation to go and farm 44:18 and drive beat trucks, like do harvest. 44:20 Because I just liked it being done. 44:21 and most times I donated the money to my church. 44:24 So I just go home and drive trucks for two days, 44:26 12 hours a day, beat trucks where I'm following a loader, 44:30 putting beats into the back of the truck 44:32 and driving it there just because I was like, 44:33 I did three fields this week, I feel awesome. 44:35 Yeah, you worked. 44:36 Yeah, I worked, I did physical labor and it's finished. 44:39 That's the best part about it is the work's done. 44:41 Well, there's something about that stuff 44:42 that's very appealing to people. 44:44 That's why Yellowstone's appealing, right? 44:46 These people, they have to run these cows 44:48 or they're gonna not survive. 44:49 I mean that's why we like you know these people that live as trappers and they live with the fucking 44:57 Siberian mountains. Yeah, there's something about that stuff. That's just built into us 45:01 I think we're probably more evolved for that than we are for what is going on today 45:06 So it's it's satisfying the same circuitry we talked about before. Yeah, which is really what we're made for 45:11 Which is interesting because like you recognize this yet you're in tech and you have an awesome application for phones 45:19 Yes, but the goal of it is to get people out right that's true every time we're your tech is actually 45:26 Yeah, very good for people that are outside 45:28 Yeah actually helps you and because people have less time 45:31 They can scout at home or like when they really want to get out into the woods or that you know 45:34 September 13th, and they fly in two days 45:36 It's like or I can go scout this mountain 45:39 Digitally find out places I want to go and look at and then mark them and then get on the app 45:43 But I always tell people when we're developing the app to like 45:46 there's a bandwidth between the brain the thumbs and a phone and the amount of 45:52 I'm trying always trying to maximize that bandwidth so the less time that I 45:56 have to interact with an app in order to get more information I've increased 46:00 bandwidth right so less buttons less time just let's just get them the 46:05 information they need and get them focused on the woods because if I had 46:08 my way about it they wouldn't pick the phone up once they're in the woods 46:11 it goes in their chest pocket or their rig or whatever and then they're 46:14 hunting that this is the apps that I'm building. 46:18 Like we're just about to implement an awesome 46:20 thermal feature that we've been building for a long time. 46:23 And we can now accurately map thermals. 46:26 So when you're elk hunting and you see like a, 46:28 you know, I'm waiting for these thermals to switch 46:30 because where these elk are at, the sun is hitting 46:34 the side of this mountain, thermals are rising 46:36 from the bottom and the wind is coming from the top. 46:38 So there's no way to get to these elk. 46:40 So I need to wait for the thermal switch. 46:42 So with this update we're gonna put out first on the web you can pick a day time of the year 46:48 You can go historical and look up historical weather so you can say these elk were in this area 46:52 I dropped this pin now 46:53 I'm gonna place this marker here, and I want to see how the thermals are acting in the area 46:57 This is what kills most hunters. It's not understanding how thermals work 47:00 Especially whitetails and elk hunters. They don't know how the thermals work 47:04 Or they don't understand it or they've never gone in the offseason like we're talking about with people for people 47:08 that don't know what the fuck we're talking about. 47:10 When the morning is happening, 47:12 when it's cold and early in the morning, 47:14 all the wind is going down the mountain. 47:17 When it gets hot, then all of a sudden the ground heats up 47:20 and then the wind starts going up the mountain. 47:22 So when these animals are below you 47:25 as you're coming down the mountain, 47:27 they're gonna smell you immediately 47:28 because all the smell is coming down. 47:30 So you have to approach them from the bottom. 47:32 And then when they're above you, 47:34 if it starts getting hot out, 47:36 you gotta get above them 47:37 And you got to get above them quick or they'll blow out. Yeah, they'll blow out of there 47:40 They make it smell you from forever away. I've seen animals smell me from a hundred yards away. Yeah, I've seen I've seen 47:48 Good data on studies and a buddy of mine. He used to take a friend of mine. He died in 2017 47:53 But he's a prolific whitetail photo 47:56 He took photos of white tails. He had a deer pen and 48:00 There was a mountain that was a three-quarter mile away from his property in New York 48:03 And when those does came into heat all of the bucks would gather 48:07 the base of this fence to smell the wind coming off of this mountain of these 48:11 does that were three-quarter mile away so you think about that like how well 48:15 they can smell and so yeah we're putting this thermal feature out but the 48:19 thermal feature the reason I bring that up is because it's designed to be used 48:22 at home so you can map the thermals for an area you can put in the 48:26 temperature you can put in the wind speed and this engine beautifully 48:30 maps exactly how the scent is going to move around on this mountain side can 48:33 ask you this, does it vary depending on east or west slope? Because of the east slope the 48:38 thermals will rise quicker, right? Yes, because of the sun and the incidence of the sun. Because 48:44 what we had to build into this was an extremely high resolution topographic layer. We had 48:49 to have this engine, but then we also had to put canopy cover into this. So it modulates 48:56 differently based on the type of canopy that it's in, whether it's elk on the 48:59 side of a hill or it's in the open air or it's elk inside of a bunch of hemlocks 49:04 or not hemlocks but like aspens or something like that it's gonna change 49:08 how those thermals work and I've been using it just the other day I've got 49:13 these spots with whitetail it's a little different because the bucks know 49:17 where these thermals are as bucks get older and we'll get off the whitetail 49:20 deer I apologize but you got me hyped up on Hunter. I love whitetail. It's the number one most 49:25 hunted big game animal. Yeah I just mean hunting writ large people I doubt 49:28 Most people want to hear me talk about 49:30 Okay, I think people like hearing people talk about things that are very fascinating to them 49:36 And I think people that don't understand hunting, especially people that think it's easy 49:41 You really don't understand what it is. They really don't understand how complicated it is particularly bow hunting 49:47 But even right think rifle hunting is easy good fucking luck good 49:51 Rifle hunting is not easy. It's not eat that. There's so much territory 49:55 You have no idea how big the mountains are when you get out there. It is insanely hard. Yeah, it's all hard 50:00 Yeah, yeah, it's a little easier than archery in that you can be 300 yards away and accurately shoot. Okay 50:07 Still not easy. Yeah, not by the that's like saying that boxing is slightly easier than MMA boxing is not easy 50:14 Shut the fuck up different. It's they're hard things to do and especially to do them well and to understand all these 50:20 Like when I first started hunting when Steve Rinella took me. That's that mule deer that I got right there in 2012 50:26 That's when I first started hunting 50:28 Immediately I was like, oh my god. This is so much more difficult and there's so much more to learn that I ever understood 50:34 Yeah, just layer upon layer. It's so complex. Especially be good at it. Yeah, and I'm not that good at it 50:41 I mean, I'm successful at it 50:43 But it's also a lot of it because I use really good guides and people help me and I can handle pressure 50:48 So and I'm in shape. So there's those things, but I'm learning things all the time 50:52 I'd say like if I was a hunter if it was like a jujitsu belt, I'd be like a 50:56 High-level purple belt, maybe a brown belt. Yeah, but I'm not a black belt. Yeah, I know the difference 51:00 Yeah, there's like when I hunt with cam hands. I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah, I don't know anything 51:04 He's a six degree black belt. He takes he shows me things all every time 51:08 I've known that guy for 12 fucking years and every time we hunt together 51:11 He shows me something new and I learned something new some new approach some new way to handle a situation 51:16 This is what's going on, they're going to do this, this is why they're going to do this. 51:20 You got to know that. 51:21 We got to get ahead of them. 51:23 There's things he knows that I don't know. 51:26 You only learn with time and with studying and when it becomes the primary focus of your 51:32 life. 51:32 For me, it takes over my life around June. 51:35 Around June, it just takes over my mind. 51:37 I do other things, but I'm thinking about September. 51:40 Same thing. 51:41 When I was driving yesterday, I tell my family, I'm watching the leaves change. 51:44 all I can think about is I want to be in those trees right now. 51:48 There's something about, well anyway to finish the point 51:50 on the thermals, I marked some of, using this model, 51:53 I marked some of my best whitetail hunting spots 51:55 in the mountains. 51:56 And then I mapped the thermals and looked at the thermals 51:59 and it became apparent why deer were using these routes 52:02 because an old wise whitetail buck knows 52:05 he's getting thermals from like 320 degrees 52:08 are funneling into this one spot 52:10 based on the predominant wind for the area, 52:12 all these things that the app can tell you. 52:13 And it's like, Oh, that's why he's always been in the spot because he knows the whole mountain before I ever steps a foot on it 52:19 He knows he knows if there's a hot dough on that mountain 52:21 He knows if there's hunters on that mountain 52:23 He knows if there's anything on that mountain 52:25 Yeah smell it and it really has opened my eyes like I can't wait to get this feature out so people can see it 52:30 but the goal to put a bow on this is to get people out and experiencing it because 52:36 I think it's a great mechanism for like coming of age for young kids like hey 52:41 You know you're you're 14 or 15 or whatever. I'm gonna treat you like a man from today 52:45 We're gonna go out and kill an animal and eat it together and get a bunch of guys together 52:49 For men I think it works for women as well, but I'm saying particularly for young men. We've kind of lost coming of age 52:57 Rights or we've kind of like, you know in Native American tribes you study or 53:01 Viking or all these other they had a time in place where it's like now you're a man 53:05 I'm gonna treat you like a man no more excuses, right and we've kind of put that off 53:09 And we kind of spoke about this last time 53:11 But it's something that I think we desperately need for young men because and for adults 53:16 Even who haven't really chosen to start acting like men and I can say I act like a child all the time 53:21 so I'm not a perfect dude, but 53:23 The military was that for me. So mine got kind of outsourced 53:28 But it's I think it leads to a lot of problems that we have in society today 53:32 Like things my grandpa used to bitch at me about when I was a kid like 100% 53:36 There's a lot of people who are never truly tested 53:39 and they live their life with this just cloud of uncertainty, 53:44 constantly hanging over them. 53:46 And this lack of understanding of their capabilities 53:49 and how they can expand those capabilities. 53:52 That's the thing about being tested 53:54 is that you realize like, oh, I fell short, 53:56 I suck at this, this is not my thing, 53:59 I gotta learn how to do it. 54:00 And then you learn and then you realize, 54:02 oh, I can expand my potential in all things. 54:06 I learned it from martial arts. 54:07 That's what that's what happened with me when I was young 54:09 I got into martial arts when I was 15 like really heavily and that it became my whole focus and it changed my whole 54:16 The whole way I approached life. I realized like that pressure and 54:20 Big moments and things that are difficult are good for you 54:23 They're blessings. Yeah, and you learn about yourself from those things. Yeah, I think I talked about this with Andy 54:29 But I think it was Plato 54:31 Plato was not only known for his great thinking but known for his excessively good wrestling 54:37 ability. 54:38 Really? 54:38 Plato means broad or broad shoulders, that's what his name meant. 54:44 And he said it's one of the worst things in life to go through life and not understand 54:49 the full potential of the human body. 54:51 Like to not push yourself physically to a place where A, you understand the actual 54:56 capability of your body to make it through a situation and then B, to understand what 55:01 type of person you regress to when the chips are down, which was another thing the military 55:06 gave me. 55:07 It wasn't like something I had this profundity and I went out and searched for it. 55:10 It's like I'm in a seer course where I'm being pursued by operators because there's 55:16 a regular seer courses in the military and then there's graduate level seer courses. 55:20 And that was kind of... 55:21 What is a seer course, honey? 55:22 Survive, evade, resist, escape. 55:24 Okay. 55:24 So in the initial one, which is more for pilots and aircraft crew members, they teach you 55:31 how to survive in the wild, how to evade capture if you're being pursued, and then if you're 55:37 caught, how to resist torture, enhanced irrigation methods, that type of thing, and then how 55:42 to escape. 55:43 So you get a watered-down version that a lot of people go to, but then this high-risk 55:48 officer pipeline, or if you're in JSOC and other organizations, they put you through 55:53 like a real deal, Holyfield one. 55:55 The one I went to was like three weeks 55:57 and they teach you picking handcuffs, 56:00 how to escape from a trunk, how to escape from a house, 56:02 how to improvise, like make firearms, shotguns, 56:06 how to, you know, dress a squirrel and eat it. 56:09 But they put you through like a week, 56:12 I think it was actually six weeks, maybe, 56:14 not four weeks, but you do two weeks of training 56:16 where it's like you just sit in a place 56:17 and you're picking handcuffs. 56:19 You sit in a place and you're learning 56:20 how to get out of a trunk. 56:21 Like you sit in a place and you learn how to conduct polish on what you're wearing. 56:26 So if you're spotted by a policeman and you need to change how you look, how do you polish 56:30 yourself so you change your appearance? 56:32 So if they've got an APB out for a guy in a gray shirt and a black pants, how do you 56:36 change that quickly? 56:38 Then after they teach you all that stuff, they throw you into an operational scenario 56:41 where you're just being pursued by a bunch of people who do this for a living. 56:43 and you know my evasion was like I think like 12 or 13 miles through the 56:49 Appalachian Mountains and you're sleeping on the ground at night and I 56:53 actually had a crazy it's the only thing that ever happened to me so I wasn't 56:59 an evasion people are gonna make fun of me for the story but it's fine I was 57:04 in the Appalachians and I was like on day two or three or maybe four or 57:10 something like that, and I'd eaten very little. 57:13 Before I left the town that I was in to get up on the, 57:18 and they teach you like how not to just walk a trail, 57:21 you basically serpentine snake a trail. 57:23 So you know where the trail is, 57:24 you can still orient yourself, 57:25 but you're not following the trail 57:26 because that's gonna make you easily caught. 57:29 So you're running, and when they started 57:31 the operational scenario, you're put in a trunk 57:35 of a car with a painting outfit on, 57:37 your handcuffed and your zip tied. 57:39 So you have to first defeat all of those restraints. 57:42 So you're learning, you learned how to pick the cuffs, 57:45 you learned how to get out of duct tape 57:46 or these other things. 57:48 And then you learn how to pop the trunk from the inside 57:51 whenever it's not built to be popped from the inside. 57:53 Now they have all of those latches that you can pull 57:55 and just jump out, 57:56 but they'll put you in like an older vehicle. 57:58 And then you have to evade. 58:00 So now you're running from people who are chasing you 58:02 and the local authorities know 58:03 that you're part of this course. 58:04 And they're also, if they see you, 58:06 they'll also persee you. 58:08 So you quickly learn how to change what you're wearing, 58:11 whether that's going to like a Walmart donation point 58:14 and reaching in and grabbing clothes, 58:16 or you know, at one point in the course 58:18 I just put my whole bottom half in a mud puddle 58:20 so my white outfit now looked like 58:22 I had black jeans on in the dark. 58:25 So you learn all these like little things to do 58:27 and then you do the evasion part. 58:29 Well during like day three of the evasion part 58:31 and I still don't know if this is a dream 58:33 or if this happened, I'm pretty sure it happened. 58:36 I'm 80% sure it happened, but I hadn't eaten for a few days and I thought I ran into hikers 58:42 on the Appalachian Trail. 58:44 So I came to an area and there were these people sitting on a log. 58:48 And again, I don't know if this was a dream, I don't know if this is because I hadn't eaten 58:51 for days or because I was being tracked or I was under a lot of pressure. 58:54 But I had like a quick conversation with them and they're like, well, we're gonna 58:57 go to sleep. 58:57 And I was like, okay. 58:58 And they had along the trail, they had these like little open faced cabins. 59:03 And so, I saw them go into this open-faced cabin and go to sleep, and then I started 59:10 a fire and slept on the ground next to the fire. 59:15 And I just told them, oh, they give you a cover so you can just tell people what your 59:21 cover is while you're in there when you interact with people. 59:25 And so, I did all that. 59:26 I started a fire. 59:27 I'm sleeping by this campfire. 59:29 I wake up in the morning and it was a big dirt area, so I wake up in the morning 59:34 I looked over there like three hours later 59:36 This was like 2 a.m. When I got there and it's like 5 or 5 30 now and I look up and I'm like oh, they're gone 59:41 Already well, that's weird, so 59:44 like I start the fire again quickly warm myself up to keep evading and 59:48 Then I looked at the ground. There are no footprints anywhere 59:51 So I was like wait did I see people here last night or not like did this happen or not? 59:55 And I'm like freaking out. I'm like I'm not seeing like there should have been dirt 59:58 Like I thought they were sitting on a log. There's no log here. So and I was debriefing after the course 60:03 I told the you do a debrief with like a site with a doctor 60:07 Who's monitoring everyone because at one point you're being slapped around or you're locked in these cages or you're locked in like at 60:13 One point the government detention part. I'm locked in a cement block like you're in a cement room where you can't stand up 60:18 You can't sit down 60:19 It's too thin for you to like get on the ground and they're playing this horrible freaking music at the top behind your head 60:26 It's like violins that make no sense and you're in there for like eight hours 60:30 And so you really start getting like if you ever done like a 60:34 Like a dunk tank or like a tank where it's dark. Yeah, so yeah, so this is what this is 60:39 It's century deprivation only you can't lay down. You can't stand up 60:42 You can't get comfortable because it's only like five and a half feet tall 60:46 It's too thin for you to lay on the ground. They're playing this music in the back of your head 60:49 And this is after you've been evading so you've been captured so you're dehydrated 60:53 You haven't eaten and I was like seeing worms everywhere and I was like kept telling myself 60:58 if you're hallucinating like I was seeing like all these snakes inside of there like all this awful 61:02 shit is happening to you and so I talked to the doc afterwards is like oh no I've heard this story 61:07 like 15 times. Did he hear the story of people meeting people that weren't there? People meeting 61:12 people that weren't there or having an experience or being in a place because they do have you 61:17 with a GPS sensor and like a um in a fanny pack so that if you get lost or you get 61:23 turned up or hit by a car or something like that, 61:25 they know where you are. 61:26 But they don't use that to chase you 61:28 or they're not supposed to. 61:30 And so he's like, yeah, I had to brief guys 61:32 who thought they were in different parts of the city 61:34 or they thought they were in a different area altogether 61:37 or they get lost and turned around. 61:39 They're dehydrated. 61:40 So when you're not eating for a while, 61:41 you've got the stress of being chased by people 61:43 who do this for a living. 61:44 You haven't had any water or no reliable meals. 61:47 You're stressed out and you've been running 61:48 for three or four days. 61:49 Like your mind starts doing things to you. 61:52 So, I still to this day don't know if A, that was a dream, B, I hallucinated those people 61:56 or C, they were there and just like the dirt was gone in the morning. 61:59 Guys, you know I'm into ketones and I rock with ketone, IQ, but here's something that 62:04 blew my mind. 62:05 Throughout history, you see all these civilizations talking about fasting and how good it can 62:10 be for your body and brain. 62:12 I honestly feel sharper when I do it. 62:13 That's because when you fast, your body starts making its backup fuel, ketones. 62:19 They burn clean, last long, feel amazing, and they help you with focus and mental clarity. 62:24 But fasting is really hard, so when I need to stay sharp, I take Ketone IQ. 62:29 It delivers the same super fuel your body naturally makes when fasting right to your 62:35 brain. 62:35 They help me drop in a laser-like focus when I want to stay locked in and think clearly, 62:40 and that's the beauty of it. 62:41 You get the benefits of ketones without having to fast. 62:43 Finally, you can pick it up at CVS nationwide and your first shot of ketone IQ is always free 62:50 So head to your local CVS and try one for yourself or go to ketone.com 62:55 Slash Rogan for 30% off your subscription order, but they're interdimensional travelers 63:01 Maybe they're interdimensional. It's it's possible if you're an interdimensional traveler 63:05 Why do you have to look like an alien? You know, yeah, you've got the ability to come here from another dimension 63:11 And I think you probably have the ability 63:13 to look like Elon Musk. 63:15 I think it's highly likely that Elon Musk 63:18 is an interdimensional traveler, but- 63:19 Something along those lines. 63:21 He's something. 63:21 Yeah, but that's my thought about aliens in general. 63:25 Like, I think if they were amongst us, 63:28 there's no way we would ever know. 63:30 If they have the technology to do the things 63:32 that we think that they're doing, 63:33 we are woefully inept to try to comprehend 63:36 or understand what it is they're doing 63:37 or who they are or what they're doing. 63:38 Right, and why wouldn't they be able to imitate us? 63:41 we're simple. And there's also so many different models of us to choose from. There's so many 63:46 different versions of us that you could draw from and create a compilation and make an artificial 63:52 person or an image of a person or just affect someone's visual cortex to the point where they 63:58 don't see you for what you really look like. That seems like simple compared to traveling 64:03 inter-dimensionally or traveling interstellar. If they really do have these gravity drives 64:09 that can instantaneously transport you from one galaxy to another I think they could probably 64:14 pretend they're a person. 64:15 Yeah I mean we can screw with our own perception all the time and then people explain it to 64:20 you and you're like holy crap I didn't even realize that but like the two faces looking 64:23 together with the vase or there's one in the line where it's like it's a block with 64:29 like a black bar in the middle. 64:30 Uh huh. 64:31 Yeah we did that the other day. 64:32 Oh you did it. 64:33 Okay well I won't retell the story. 64:35 Oh we've done it twice. 64:36 It's incredible. 64:36 Yeah so. 64:37 What is that called again? Corn sweet. Yeah, corn sweet. Yeah, so you could your perception can be messed with and if you think that one's nuts 64:44 Yeah, if you think you're in control of your faculties 64:47 You rest on a limbic system and a central nervous system 64:50 That's been around for a long time and it's very patterned the way that it 64:55 Metabolizes reality and our ability to mess with that is I wonder what evolutionary advantage if any there is in being able to hallucinate 65:04 when you're tired. 65:06 I think there's probably something to do with, 65:09 well, I'm not an expert on this, 65:11 but I know that dreaming is particularly important 65:14 when it comes to that stage of sleep cycle 65:17 is where you store memories. 65:19 So one of the things that happens 65:20 when you're not sleeping for a long time 65:22 is your memory is one of the first things to go, 65:25 because you need those stages of sleep 65:27 in order to remember things. 65:29 No, that makes sense, 65:30 because when I'm sleep deprived, my memory sucks. 65:32 Yeah, I mean, I think dreams have a tremendous amount of function. I myself am a huge believe it's probably one of the things 65:38 I believe in most is 65:40 Dreams and this is gonna sound crazy coming from somebody who makes his living doing engineering 65:45 But I do think that the collective subconscious and the individual unconscious 65:53 We were resting on millions of years of learned lessons that we can't possibly be born with 66:01 and so they pop up out of this collective subconscious. 66:04 Like, you see a person, you just get the ick. 66:06 You're like, I don't know what I like. 66:07 This guy, I don't like this guy. 66:09 That lessons probably happened to your ancestors 66:12 10 million times and something is popping out 66:15 of that substrate that you don't have full access to 66:18 and is telling you that because it's a heuristic 66:21 that has been adopted over a million years of evolution 66:24 or 300,000 years or whatever you think humans 66:26 have been around for. 66:28 That story's been told a million times and I think dreams it doesn't make sense to me and again 66:33 I'm not the expert on this, but it's stuff that I think about all the time 66:37 actually I was 66:39 Back in the day 66:40 I was trying to impress my now wife and she's a mathematician and she you know went to Johns Hopkins 66:46 Super smart like just outside of the normal distribution of people 66:52 Especially, you know a woman who's really into mathematics is just not normal 66:57 or it's not, you know, there's far more many men. 67:00 I'm gonna get shit on for this. 67:02 I meet way more men mathematicians than I do with women 67:05 and I'm sorry I don't control the fabric of reality 67:07 but it seems to be the case. 67:08 I'm just observing things, I'm observing patterns. 67:10 Anyway, she's a mathematician. 67:12 You're covering all your bases. 67:13 Yeah. 67:15 Well, dude, doing your podcast the first time, 67:18 so much hate afterwards. 67:19 Yeah, you gotta stay out of the comments. 67:21 I don't know, I didn't read your comments. 67:22 Where are you getting the hate? 67:23 DMs. 67:24 Oh, we'll stay out of the DMs. 67:25 Well, I won't show now on close those off anyway. Yeah 67:30 But uh 67:32 Oh, yes, so dreams I 67:36 Will have a problem in my life and 67:39 So the reason I was talking about impressing my wife 67:42 She was in the chaos theory and she's reading all these books on chaos theory 67:46 Mm-hmm, and so I went on YouTube to watch some videos about chaos theory 67:50 And I actually this is an origin story for me of types of a type 67:54 I actually saw a Jordan Peterson video, but it was not about chaos. There is about chaos in order like it was like 68:01 You know it was one of those but I didn't know so I clicked the video and this is before he blew up. This was like 68:07 You know when he was just posting stuff on YouTube 68:10 So I watched this video and my goal of watching the video was to get into understanding chaos theory 68:16 But what I ended up doing was getting into Carl Jung because I watched one of these first videos 68:21 videos. So I have a very addictive personality. So I started reading every Carl Jung book 68:26 I could. Everything about the collective unconscious, the red books, everything that he wrote and 68:35 really got into dreams. And this might be a self-fulfilling prophecy. It doesn't matter 68:40 because it's particularly useful to me. But I'll have dreams where I used to have 68:46 I have a psychologist that I talked to when I was in a kind of a depressive state years 68:50 ago and he would, I made sure to hire one who was a union. 68:54 So I would document my dreams and say, here's what I had a dream about. 68:59 And it just became astonishing to me that my dreams were trying to tell me things. 69:05 And from an evolutionary standpoint, it made sense to me that your body wouldn't just 69:10 present you fuzz like a TV screen, that dreams would have an evolutionary function 69:15 where you're able to draw on the lessons of the past. And you could call that the collective 69:19 unconscious. You could call that the Holy Spirit of God. You could call that transcendent reality. 69:24 It doesn't matter. But there seems to be something to dreams. I'm convinced of it because I still 69:29 document my dreams to this day. And when things are happening in my life, the dream will be 69:34 telling me, like, here's where you're at. This is what you need to do. And then we watch 69:39 these dreams manifested in reality through a particularly good book or a particularly 69:43 It's a really good movie and it's tugging on that same string where we're watching something 69:50 and people have done this better than me, but you're watching something and you're not 69:53 understanding what you're watching, but you know that you love it and you want to keep 69:57 watching it and it's because your unconscious is telling you there's a lesson here for you 70:02 and I'm going to make you keep watching this until you understand what the lesson 70:05 is. 70:06 And the example I always give people is, let me tell you a story and the story 70:10 is about a guy who is innocent but he's sentenced to death and he had a collection of disciples 70:17 that followed him around and he taught them beautiful things about the world and the fabric 70:21 of reality and gave them appreciation for life. He died and was reborn or raised from 70:28 the dead but also passed through to this world through a woman's womb and he's a fisher 70:37 of men. So I'll tell people that story and I'll be like, what story am I telling you? 70:41 Like, when you're telling me the story of Christ. I was like, no, I'm telling you the 70:43 Shawshank Redemption. It's the greatest movie of all time per IMDb, per Rotten Tomatoes. It's a 70:51 perfect movie. I'm not saying Stephen King wrote that book to retell the Christ story. 70:55 What I'm saying is that story is a very base story, a story of the complete perfect man who's 71:03 innocent of a crime, who's tried and killed for that crime but reborn. And that's because 71:07 Because in the collective unconscious and in our lives, we need to undergo those same 71:11 things like I talked about before. 71:12 You have to force nature and reality onto you and adapt to them and suffer a little death, 71:18 like even an ego death. 71:20 Like you had a system, the system failed, now it's time for you to recalibrate that 71:23 system and then be reborn into the world. 71:27 And so I think all of those things are tightly coupled when it comes to dreams, 71:30 when it comes to media that we consume, stories that hit with us and we don't 71:34 understand why. 71:36 And great art is art that's made and the artist doesn't even know the story that he's telling. 71:41 He just has a compulsion to tell the story and so they write it down. 71:47 And we don't know, like Stephen King is a great author, I love consuming his stuff. 71:53 But he's more of a vessel to the unconscious than he is somebody who just thinks up great 71:59 stories. 71:59 Well, he wrote a lot of his stuff, basically unconscious, you know, some of his great 72:04 What do you mean by that? 72:05 Well, he doesn't even remember writing Kujo. 72:09 Great movie. 72:09 Yeah. 72:10 Great book. 72:11 I didn't read the book. 72:12 The book was fantastic. 72:12 I didn't read the book. 72:13 Well, he was heavily drinking and doing drugs back in those days. 72:18 And he would just get blacked out and write these books. 72:22 And I think it was Carrie too, right? 72:25 I'm not sure. 72:27 He's got a bunch of his books where, you know, some of the best ones where 72:33 He was just obliterated when he wrote yeah, and that was a way into yeah 72:37 He's tapping into that get away from himself get out of his own way and tap into that thing 72:42 Because that's one of the things that creative people always talk about yeah is getting out of your own way 72:46 Yeah, and yeah, you know finding that that zone 72:52 Drunker super okay to do stays. Yeah, have you ever seen the movie maximum overdrive no member of writing the book at all 72:58 Yeah, I did okay, but King wrote it between 81 and 85 while deeply dependent on alcohol and cocaine one of the best books 73:06 He also wrote books like the Shining Pet Cemetery in the top Tommy knockers during that era while regularly consuming alcohol 73:12 Cocaine Valium Xanax marijuana and even mouthwash. He's openly shared his man on writing. Yeah, it's in the book 73:20 He often had a stuffed cotton swabs in his nose stop cocaine-induced nosebleeds from dripping onto his typewriter 73:26 Fuck yeah. Geez. So diving is best stuff diving into unconsciousness and then like a 73:32 hero coming back with something a story. Have you ever heard of the hypnagogic 73:37 state? No. Yes I have but I don't remember what that term is. I have a 73:41 perplexity describing Salvador Dali's use of it because I found a few people 73:45 that did it but I was getting really into dreams too and was having some 73:48 weird sleep-deprived visions and I found that this is a thing that smart 73:53 people, I guess, tapped into. 73:57 Being half awake and sleep deprived. 73:59 I told you about the news radio writers. 74:02 I've told you that before. 74:04 So the writers on news radio, they didn't do drugs, but they would stay awake. 74:08 So they'd stay awake until like 3 o'clock in the morning and then start writing the scripts. 74:12 Wow. 74:12 Yeah, and everybody was just like delirious. 74:15 And they would write till like 6, 7 in the morning. 74:18 We would show up to do the table read, and these guys were still awake from the night before. 74:22 So they've written into and hilarious shit because they were just like it's like they were high 74:29 But they weren't high and they would write these ridiculous absurd scenarios and really hilarious lines and they were doing 74:37 They were purposely doing it under sleep deprivation to induce that state 74:41 Yeah, and that I think is a you know 74:44 It's gonna sound paradoxical to say it but that's a heroic action, right like going into going into the unconscious a 74:52 a place where you're either depriving yourself, 74:54 hurting yourself, but you're diving into the mud, 74:58 the water, and you're pulling out something great. 75:01 Like it goes to what you said about fishing. 75:03 Like Christ said, I'll make you fishers of men, 75:05 and that means I'm gonna dive into the water, 75:07 to the abyss, I'm gonna pull out something of value 75:09 and everyone gets to eat and be happy. 75:11 And that's the hero story, par excellence, 75:14 is people going into unsavory conditions, 75:18 making sense of an unknowable environment, 75:20 and recalibrating themselves and then returning. 75:23 That's always the story in the book, right? 75:25 The hero gets defeated in the beginning. 75:27 He has to go through some type of transformational period 75:30 which often, like Star Wars, he's in the swamp 75:32 or Thor Ragnarok, he goes to this upside down world 75:35 where he has to fight the Hulk who's his friend 75:37 or any of these movies, they have that 75:40 and then there's the return of the king 75:42 where he sets order and makes everything right 75:45 and dreams, it's one of the most valuable things to me 75:49 And one of the things that kind of sucks about it is and Jung talks about this is once you start to really learn and live 75:57 Like you try to become a better version of yourself. You'll actually end up dreaming less, but when you do dream the dream will be more 76:06 dense and but the layers of the dream get more 76:11 The dream is never just to solve one problem. It's usually it's many problems stacked on top of themselves 76:16 So say that again when you learn more about yourself when you start listening to the dreams 76:20 And you start living like you dream less well 76:23 Not not necessarily the better lesson is if you start listening to your dreams 76:28 And you start orienting yourself based on the feedback that you're getting from the collective unconscious or the word of God or the voice of God 76:34 And you start setting your life in order and you start acting like a better person 76:39 The need for dreams is not as profound. Well, how does he make this determination? 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I think this was in the red book, but I'm not sure or it might be I 79:04 Can't remember which might be man and his symbols. It doesn't matter, but what what he's basically saying is 79:09 The dreams are there to provide you input and corrective measures and to let you know 79:14 the the archetype that you're acting out and then once you start setting yourself in order a 79:21 Good marker is you're no longer dreaming in other words 79:23 You're doing the right thing now. So your dreams don't now have to keep giving you this feedback 79:28 Huh, Jamie can pressure test me because I might be wrong and I don't want to say something wrong on this podcast of all 79:33 It's also it's like this statement all the this has taken from something. He said it's almost like that 79:38 But it's dreams balance the conscious mind if your waking mind is overly rigid 79:43 hyper-rational or arrogant the dream will supply emotional vulnerable or contradictory 79:48 imagery to restore equilibrium. 79:51 Interesting. 79:52 Self-patrial of the psyche. 79:53 Young saw that a dream was a spontaneous self-patrial 79:58 in symbolic form and of the actual situation 80:02 in the unconscious. 80:03 They show you where you truly stand psychologically 80:06 without the ego's filters. 80:08 Yeah, dreams drive towards wholeness and self-realization. 80:13 So what I got from Jung was, 80:15 the more you start to become more of a whole person 80:17 and you engage in the self realization 80:19 the less utility the dreams will have 80:21 and therefore you'll have less of them. 80:23 So in other words, if you're doing well by yourself. 80:25 I understand this, but I don't understand 80:27 how you'd be able to study this 80:29 unless it's all completely anecdotal from an individual 80:32 because you're one person and your thought process, 80:35 especially as a psychologist and a psychoanalyst 80:38 is gonna be very different than most people. 80:40 So to say that, it's gotta be people that always, 80:44 There's people that have very vivid, lucid dreams and they're able to cultivate those. 80:49 Yeah, and I would also say Jung falls out of the distribution of today what most people 80:55 engage in is cognitive behavioral therapy or CBT is not what Jung was doing. 80:59 Jung was far more radical and I wouldn't say the most pre-reviewed guy in the world. 81:06 It could be like anything else in life, a heuristic that doesn't necessarily the 81:10 right way. 81:11 And the reason I say that is because heuristic is something that's not the right way to do something what it works for you 81:15 It's the right way to do things for you 81:17 And it just might be a useful heuristic to me, but it's certainly 81:22 I can think of just you know a dream even I had last week 81:25 Where I wrote it down and went back to it the next because I woke up at like four in the morning 81:29 I wrote it all down look up the next day and look at it and it was like smacking me in the face 81:35 Like what the dream was telling me 81:37 What was that? 81:39 Is it personal? 81:40 I mean, I can talk at a high general level, but it is personal. 81:47 Problems with legal, with some legal stuff, and you know, I'm almost through it, but it's 81:55 taken a toll on me for about a couple of years, and we got some resolution that was some 81:59 of what I wanted to see and some of what I didn't want to see. 82:02 And that night I went to bed pretty angry, and then I had a dream where I was on 82:07 train and there were these people that were like rendezvous people all over the 82:12 train and they were like you know biker looking guys kind of rough and they were 82:18 making fun of me or they were telling me I wasn't shit and then some of them 82:21 would challenge me to things and then in the dream I met a woman and I was 82:25 like hey I really don't know what's going on in this dream like or I'm not 82:29 in this dream in this in this place like can you help me out and she was 82:32 like well you kind of have to learn what's going on here on your own like 82:35 And so, at one point, a bunch of gunshots came from the outside of the train. 82:40 And I grabbed her, like as the guns were shooting, and I put myself in between her and the gunshots 82:46 where they were coming from. 82:47 And then she said, when we got up and like the gun stopped firing, she's like, okay, 82:52 I can help you out some here. 82:54 And she started telling me things about this train world that I was in. 82:59 And then a guy came and challenged me, whose name was also Bill, but he looked 83:02 like an old bearded guy, like an old biker beard guy. 83:07 And we started fighting, and I put him in Americana, 83:12 and anybody who knows what a fight 83:14 shouldn't succumb to in Americana. 83:16 What are you talking about? 83:18 Well, I'm fighting like a blue belt, 83:21 and I try to hit him with a basic jiu-jitsu move. 83:24 He's gonna fuck my world up. 83:25 Oh, I don't know about that. 83:27 Well, Andy Wood, guys that are born in wood, 83:30 Or maybe a high-level black belt. Well, I don't know. It just seems like you get caught in Americanas all the time 83:36 Maybe I don't you know more than I do 83:38 But I put him in an Americana and I ended up not that this is possible 83:43 but I ended up compound fracturing his elbow that was all the time and 83:47 He didn't quit and the woman told me as I was fighting 83:51 She's like not only does he have to say uncle you have to accept that he just submitted before it's over 83:56 And so he's like I'm not done and I was like oh my god 83:59 So we keep rolling and I he tackles me and I get into a guard and I and I put him in an arm bar 84:06 And I break his arm with an arm bar his other arm 84:09 And then he's like okay 84:10 I submit and then she's like now tell him you accept his submission 84:14 And so I was like I accept your submission and then and then later in the dream like I get off this train 84:21 This is a crazy fucking yeah, and I wrote it all down 84:23 I can show you down my phone when we get out of here because I woke up at 4 a.m. 84:26 and wrote it all down. 84:27 And then I got out of the dream and I ran into my wife 84:30 and my wife said, I'm going to get on the train as well. 84:35 And I feel like I need to go and test myself 84:39 or get into the world. 84:40 And I was like, baby, don't do that. 84:42 Don't get on the train. 84:43 It's not a good place to be. 84:45 It's horrible. 84:46 Don't do it. 84:46 And she's like, oh, I feel like I need to do it. 84:48 And then I woke up. 84:50 So the dream, I immediately knew just 84:53 from the self-study and reading these things, 84:56 the train was a framework for the legal system. 84:59 In other words, there are these people 85:02 that speak terms you don't understand. 85:05 It's got its own direction and inertia and gravity 85:10 and you don't control where the train goes 85:12 just like you don't control where a courtroom 85:14 or a judge or the justice system goes. 85:17 You are subject to everything that's happening 85:19 in that train and they're gonna say 85:20 and do things that don't make sense to you and that you're going to need someone else 85:27 and set up there a compensatory function for men is usually an anima character and anima 85:35 relation is, I've heard you talk about this and what you're describing is anima integration 85:40 but essentially men need to first become men and once men become men then they can 85:46 start integrating anima and easy way to say this is a grandfather or a man needs to grow 85:53 up and become hard, he needs to be disagreeable, he needs to fight, he needs to learn how to 85:57 push himself and test himself and instill his masculine features into him. 86:01 Once he's done that then he can be the old grandfather that's got like a granddaughter 86:05 on his lap or he's emotional with a grandchild or he's starting to learn really more 86:12 about his wife but he first needs to learn himself. 86:14 So, he has to harden his masculine features before he integrates anima features, but anima 86:23 features in movies or in books or in all of these things. 86:27 It's usually a character, like if you watch the movie Wolverine, or not Wolverine, if 86:31 you watch the Logan movie, he's got a young version of himself who's a woman who has 86:36 no ability to speak, so she lacks logos. 86:40 She lacks an ability to express herself in the world. 86:43 and as she starts to integrate and get closer to Logan who's this masculine 86:48 character she finally adopts logos and starts to speak towards the end of the 86:52 movie and even starts speaking English and so and because they're the same 86:56 person she's a clone of him you would say that's the anima part of Logan that 87:01 he needs to integrate before he can defeat the bad guy in the end of the 87:04 movie so this anima character on this train who is you know a particularly 87:09 a particularly good lawyer or someone who understands this world that I don't understand 87:14 and I need to show them something like protecting her from the gunfire before she starts telling 87:20 me about this world and how it works. 87:22 In other words, I have to use that compensatory relating function in order to understand this 87:28 train that I'm on that I've got really no control over and that the stakes of this 87:33 fight were far bigger than I ever thought they were and that the person that I'm 87:38 fighting which is not the person I'm fighting in court or not the person I'm 87:41 fighting in life was actually me and there's a part of me that I was 87:45 experiencing that dream who's not willing to give the fight up. He will 87:48 fight until he's gotten a Americana until he's got a broken arm until he's got 87:53 ankle lock and he can't walk anymore. My dream was warning me about taking this 87:58 to the end and if you take this to the end it could be bad or it could 88:03 be good. We don't know. Well it could consume your life. It could consume me. 88:06 Yes, and consume millions of dollars and consume everything else and so my dream was readying me and saying look 88:13 You're at a threshold where you have to 88:15 Where you have to open yourself up to parts and really learn the justice system and really learn these things 88:21 Or you're not going to be ready for the fight and the fight's not against the other guy 88:25 the fight's actually about your against yourself 88:28 and and 88:29 So that that that's the sense. That's the nexus of the dream. The dream is not telling me about the future 88:34 It's telling me where I am at this point in time. So it's it's very useful to me these things 88:39 And we see them reflected in media like I said 88:42 Um and that Logan movie I talked about he actually fights himself and that himself that he fights the clone 88:48 Have you seen the movie? No, he's got no logos 88:51 He can't speak and he and this daughter or this clone of him has no logos and he cannot speak and they're moving from 88:57 South of the border 89:00 Which is this like chaotic desert wasteland up into North Dakota actually in the movie 89:04 which is this like Garden of Eden type of place and it's there it's this like buddy travel story 89:10 across this place where he has to integrate these parts of himself in order to finally defeat his 89:14 shadow self which is a Jungian thing which is this other Wolverine with no ability to speak 89:20 who's this animalistic version of himself and only then in the end of the movie he's you 89:25 know it's really the story of Moses but in the end of the movie he's literally hung on a tree 89:30 and killed by his own shadow self, 89:32 and then only then can this new version of him, 89:35 this animated version of him, 89:38 go north into Canada and live freely. 89:41 So it's one of the highest grossing Marvel movies 89:44 of all time. 89:45 I think it made over a billion dollars. 89:48 But it's telling a very old story 89:50 and that old story that it's telling 89:51 is an ascent of a mountain like Moses 89:53 to go up and get the new law. 89:54 But it's also an ascent of the mountain 89:56 to that will ultimately lead to your crucifixion, 89:59 but it will save everyone else that you love. 90:01 It's like, you know, the Jews in the wasteland. 90:05 It's this death and rebirth story 90:07 that it speaks to a very deep level in people. 90:10 And even as engineering minded as I am 90:13 and as scientifically minded as I am, 90:15 I can't dispense with something 90:18 when it's as useful as it is. 90:21 There's just something there that keeps scratching at me 90:24 and I can't let it go. 90:25 And it's part of my addictive personality. 90:27 Like I said, I've consumed like Eric Neumann and Carl Jung and Freud and Adler and all of 90:33 these great authors who wrote about all of this, the perseverance of the human soul under 90:38 extraordinary circumstances. 90:40 You can't dispatch with these things because it got these people to where we are today 90:44 and there seems to be some truth there. 90:47 So... 90:48 Well, it's undefinable and it's very strange. 90:50 Whatever the dream state is, there's something going on there that's very odd. 90:55 very very odd and I don't dismiss it. I don't understand it. I don't dismiss it 91:01 but I'm very wary of people who are clearly defining it like mapping the 91:06 territory. Yeah I don't I don't I don't know if you have the ability to do that 91:11 and I don't you know I think people want to define things that are 91:15 undefinable because it gives them comfort for sure that there's a 91:18 structure to things that you know they can they can say oh I get it now 91:23 I don't know if you're ever gonna get it 91:25 I think it's the same thing that you get when you hear from people when I was 16 91:28 It's the only time I've ever done drugs my whole entire life and I can now say that said I've my other military 91:32 That's outrageous. I've never done anything, but when I was a child 91:37 Me while you're doing drugs right right nicotine when I was a child 91:41 some friends some friends gave me mushrooms when I was like 16 91:46 and it was crazy experience and 91:51 And it also, I won't tell the story 91:53 because we've already done this once, 91:54 but it also led me to an updating of my system 91:57 and an understanding of who I am. 91:59 How come you never did it again? 92:01 I was in the military. 92:02 How come you don't do it now? 92:03 Security clearance, I don't know. 92:05 I just, I'm not saying I wouldn't. 92:08 All I'm saying is I'm so hyper-focused 92:11 on what I'm doing now that I don't, 92:13 I don't, there'll be a time and a utility for it. 92:15 There'll be a time and place for it. 92:16 And I do think, I've talked to lots of veterans, 92:19 other guys who have done like the, 92:25 what did they go to South America and they do- 92:27 Ibogaine? 92:27 Ibogaine. 92:29 And I talked to one guy who said, 92:31 he had a ton of antidepressants and medication and stuff. 92:35 And he went down there and did that. 92:36 When he got back, he threw it all away 92:38 and he was better afterwards. 92:40 So there's definitely value there. 92:42 But again, that's that pattern 92:45 of diving into unconsciousness and diving into this world that will judge you, and some 92:52 people come back better, some people come back broken, some people overcook the goose, 92:57 I'm not sure. 92:58 I think I would probably do it one day, I'm just so busy building, I would worry, I also 93:07 worry about my mind, like I also know I would never do a cocaine or I would never 93:12 or do like some of these other drugs 93:13 because I'm really already highly strong. 93:16 I'm really hyper focused on things. 93:18 Yeah, that's why I avoided Adderall, 93:20 even though it's very interesting to me. 93:22 I would never be able to get near. 93:24 I mean, I do nicotine. 93:25 I might wanna try it once. 93:26 I do nicotine because it helps me think. 93:28 It's the only thing that can make me focus. 93:29 Like when I don't do too many a day, 93:32 but when I do them, it's usually when I'm trying 93:33 to think about a problem or like zero in on something. 93:36 Whereas other people, it like makes them feel 93:38 like gaity or high or whatever. 93:40 I get no feeling from this. 93:41 other than, like it just... 93:45 Yeah, it's a definite new tropic. 93:47 Makes the world focus in. 93:50 And I had, as an Iraq, on my second tour to Iraq, 93:54 I started doing like Mint Skull, 93:56 because we'd convoy like a long ways. 93:58 And there wasn't anything to do. 94:00 It's not like we had a turtle box 94:01 or a Bluetooth speaker in the Humvee. 94:04 You just had six hours of driving in front of you. 94:06 So I'm gonna throw a Skull in, 94:08 just like dip Mint Skull. 94:10 And but then I started brushing my gums away so I quit and then when this stuff came out 94:15 I was like, oh I get to get the nicotine without the 94:17 Without brushing my gums away sign me up, right? Yeah, it's very addictive to people. It's interesting 94:24 It's it's this stuff these pouches have come out of nowhere 94:28 I get off of them every once in a while like I'll switch to um 94:31 There's this one that I use 94:34 That's got no nicotine in it ultra's ultra's 94:37 Yeah, so I'll just do like that for like two or three weeks 94:41 Yeah, those are great and then that's just new tropics. Yeah, and so I'm not you know wired up 94:46 Like the first day is always like this kind of sucks like I want one 94:49 I don't have like the come down that most people have where I'm like, I'm gonna kill someone if I don't need one right now 94:55 Yeah, it's interesting. I do get 94:58 Disagreeable. I don't I think it's biological man. I I can just stop taking them. I took them 95:06 Like, when I was on vacation, I took off 10 days, and no problem at all, and I do that 95:11 all the time. 95:12 I take three, four days off. 95:13 It doesn't irritate me, but I think that's biological. 95:16 I think some people have that weird thing, and some people don't, and some people, it 95:21 gets in their system to the point where they need it all the time, and some people 95:25 don't. 95:25 I've heard horror stories of people. 95:28 I've also heard horror stories of people with other stuff that I find really 95:34 Troubling like Kratom Kratom is a big one. What is that? I'm sorry. That's that weird fucking 95:39 It's kind of an opiate and it's everywhere. It's in those live-free drinks and those 95:45 There's a lot of different like they banned the synthetic version of it from gas stations now 95:51 People were buying this stuff and convenience stores and weird sketchy stores. It is an opiate 95:56 That you can buy in a grocery store or a convenience store? 95:59 You can get it from a leaf, right? 96:01 It's from a plant called the Kratom leaf. 96:04 I don't know what the plant is, but this stuff has become very popular. 96:09 And I've heard horror stories of people going to like, you know, a quote-unquote health 96:14 foods store, like a juice shop, and they have these little live free drinks. 96:19 And they go, oh, this must be healthy. 96:20 It's in this place. 96:21 And you drink it and you're fucking vomiting and it's like you feel like you're on opiates. Wow 96:26 I've not even ever heard of this. Yeah, it's interesting because there was a guy that 96:32 He had some real problems with opiates and then he started telling me that we got off opiates got clean 96:40 And then he was telling me about cratum that he takes cratum 96:44 And I say what is this stuff and I said well at low doses it acts almost like a stimulant like caffeine and that 96:50 at higher doses, it more relaxes you. 96:55 I'm like, okay, how much do you take? 96:57 So he told me, well, you know, if you want to take 96:58 a couple of them, like before a podcast or something, 97:01 try it, and I did. 97:02 And I was like, hmm, this is kind of interesting. 97:04 I took a couple pills. 97:05 I was like, it is, it's kind of like a little stimulant. 97:07 No big deal. 97:08 And then I said, how much do you take? 97:11 And he said, well, before I wake out, work out, 97:13 I take 10. 97:15 So I said, what? 97:16 I go, you take 10. 97:17 I go, what does that feel like? 97:19 He goes, I don't have a problem with it at all. 97:20 So I took 10 and I called him up and I said hey man I go you're high I go you're 97:28 getting high this is you're not sober like this is not a sober thing you're 97:32 this I'm high as fuck right now it was a weird high because it was a high that 97:37 didn't seem to affect my motor skills so it was at the studio I did it so I 97:43 worked out have no problem working out it didn't affect my cardio it didn't 97:47 Effect my ability to lift weights didn't affect anything and then I was playing pool 97:51 It didn't affect my ability to play pool either it didn't like fuck with my motor skills like alcohol will 97:57 How do you feel like when you're on it like what are you so it's weird? It's a weird high 98:02 But whatever it is. It's a high. I was like dude your high as fuck if you're taking ten of these 98:07 like you're not sober and 98:10 You know, I think there's a bunch of people that have had problems with opiates that don't recognize 98:16 That this takes them down that same road and then I know a lot of people that are heavily addicted to cratum and can't get off of it 98:24 Wow, like friends. I've one good friend who takes it every day. He's taking 98:29 These drinks bottles these things and he's drinking like six a day. I was like fuck dude. 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No waiting for help 99:58 It also works as a power bank and has a built-in 100:01 LED flashlight no co the end of jumper cables use code rogan 10 for 10 percent off 100:09 Select Jumpstarters at n-o-dot-c-o. 100:14 I'm so afraid of drugs. 100:16 Just because I come from a family of, 100:18 not to smite my own, I love my family, 100:20 but just drug addicts and alcoholics. 100:22 Many people do. 100:23 I mean, it's not, nothing to be ashamed of. 100:25 It's normal. 100:26 I think I'm the only one who's not been to jail 100:28 or rehab. 100:29 That's crazy. 100:30 And then, you know, I've got two sisters 100:32 that died from overdoses 100:33 and their brother that killed himself. 100:34 Oh, my God. 100:35 Fuck. 100:36 Yeah, two years ago, or three years ago, 100:38 My sister Jenny died maybe even longer four years ago and then my sister Heather 100:44 Who was most like me in the family in other words like we both wanted to get out of North Dakota and 100:50 She married into a great family like one of the best families 100:53 I've ever seen and then got an antidepressants and then I believe when she got off the antidepressants 100:59 It was really rough like a really rough time for her and she got addicted to methamphetamines 101:04 And then ended up leaving her family and going up to like Fort McMurray, Alberta 101:10 And she was up there for like seven years and wouldn't talk to any of us and her and I were very close growing up 101:16 We were the most alike and that we just wanted to leave North Dakota and see the world and do things and 101:23 and 101:24 So while she was up there, she was at like a rehab facility and in this wacky 101:30 fucking Canadian 101:31 in America's top hat place, 101:35 they would give them meth once a week. 101:37 What? 101:38 At the facility, yeah. 101:41 And so she either stored up her meth, 101:44 like didn't do it one week and kept it, 101:46 and faked it or got some from someone else 101:49 but did like a critical amount of meth 101:51 and killed herself at the facility. 101:54 And, and. 101:56 They would give you meth. 101:58 They were giving it, I mean. 101:58 Why were they giving it? 101:59 Jamie, you can look this up, 102:01 But there's a term for it and I don't remember what it was because I asked the same question because her brother or my brother 102:06 Ex-brother-in-law her husband Rick told me and I was like why are they giving it to people and he's like well 102:11 They wanted them doing it like in a clean safe environment instead of like out on the streets 102:16 And I'm like how about we just get them off of that shit like can we all agree? That's bad 102:21 Yeah, what a strange strategy 102:23 This is the strategy that they employ in a lot of these cities right where they give people access to drugs 102:28 that are safe and they also give them clean needles and crack pipes. This is 102:33 something that you see particularly on the West Coast. It's a very common thing 102:37 in the Pacific Northwest. There's a bunch of these places that will give 102:41 people, they give them money, they'll give you drugs and they'll give you 102:45 needles and the idea is that you're providing them with safe access. Well 102:51 it killed my sister. Well she killed herself but I'm saying you know my 102:56 My family is just the story, not the story of it. 102:58 There's good people in my family, very good people that I love very much, so I'm not trying 103:02 to smite my own. 103:03 But we have a problem with addiction. 103:05 Dude, a lot of people have a problem with addiction, whether they believe it or not. 103:10 I think addiction is a normal part of human behavior. 103:14 And I think there's probably an evolutionary aspect to that. 103:18 I think addiction is what allows people to get very focused on certain things 103:26 like like to become a good hunter. What do you have to do? We have to be very 103:30 addicted to the idea of hunting, you know, and I think that same sort of 103:36 pathway can be very destructive and it can be very destructive like you can 103:41 get addicted to gambling, which I've seen a lot of people get addicted to 103:44 gambling, or you can get addicted to drugs and alcohol. You know, there's 103:48 this guy that I knew that was a world-class pool player, like one of the best in the world. 103:53 And he heard his back in a car accident and then become addicted to pills. And my friend 103:57 Tommy said this best. He said the same thing that made him great at pool, made him addicted 104:01 to those fucking pills. Like he couldn't put them down. He was just invested in those 104:06 pills. He wanted to take them all the time. And he died of a drug overdose, young. 104:10 And this was a guy that never drank, never smoked, was clean, sober, and his number 104:15 one focus was just being the best pool player in the world and I think that thing that we 104:23 all have, especially some people have in spades, I have it, is I become very addicted to things. 104:30 Yeah, me too. 104:31 It's very focused on things where it consumes me. 104:35 Golf did that to me. 104:36 I don't golf anymore, but I got to where I was like a six handicap, which is a fairly 104:41 good golfer. 104:42 What are you, Jamie? 104:42 That's better than me. 104:47 About 14, 15. 104:49 So I just shot, I had played for the first time 104:51 in a few months the other day and just shot like 12 over, 104:53 which is like a good golfer. 104:55 But there was a point when I lived in Hawaii 104:57 that I was like, I shot a couple of par rounds, 105:00 like one or two over. 105:01 And I did this solely because somebody told me 105:04 I was too much of a fucking gorilla 105:05 and I'd never be good at it. 105:06 That was the sole reason. 105:08 Every time I was practicing I'm like, 105:09 I'm gonna show that motherfucker. 105:10 I'm gonna show him, I'm gonna show him. 105:12 So ridiculous I'm gonna beat it and I like devoted my whole life to it 105:15 And then when I got really good and I was better than most people around into I lost all interest. I 105:20 Hardly ever do it now really hardly ever do it. It's how am I that's that it's really weird 105:26 It's happened to me a couple of times in life where I would go down a road of addiction 105:31 It just fortunately the addictions weren't like positive kind of 105:35 You know positive control loops 105:39 where I would get into something hard 105:42 and then once I felt like I had a certain level of mastery, 105:45 I'd move on to something else. 105:47 Well, that's probably the part of you that wants to learn something from scratch again 105:51 to go through that same process. 105:53 Yeah. 105:53 Which is, that's the most important part, I think. 105:56 The most difficult part is the beginning. 105:58 Becoming a beginner at things I think is very beneficial to you. 106:02 The white belt. 106:02 Yeah, it's very beneficial to you to learn that there's something that, 106:05 Oh my god. I know nothing about this. I'm terrible at this. I have so much room to grow 106:10 Yeah, whereas something that you've been doing for a long long time 106:14 It you know, it becomes more of like fine tuning. Yeah, it's these slow 106:20 Incremental improvements rather than understanding this is like enormous sea of information that you're not you don't have access to yet 106:28 Yeah, with golf. It was like I'm hitting the ball straight 106:32 We'll be gone. That's nuts 106:34 like next thing 106:36 Bow hunting is though is something I haven't exhausted and obviously technology is something I haven't exhausted well 106:42 I think bow hunting is so variable too 106:45 There's so many different things if every shot was 20 yards and every animal stood still it would be boring 106:51 You'd get bored of it. Well, yeah 106:52 I don't think you get bored of it, but it wouldn't have the same appeal that it has where 106:58 It's completely chaotic 107:00 One of you doesn't even know the game you're playing as the animal, you know 107:03 It's it's playing a different game. It's game is survival 107:06 It's looking for predators and you are a predator, but it doesn't understand how you're doing it and your your your thing 107:12 Is like to get to a position where you can execute execute a shot and do it, right? 107:18 And then the amount of time that you have to put into it. I think is the real thing for me 107:23 It's like the understanding that 107:25 Look if I take a few days off of archery and I go and shoot my first few shots are a little shaky 107:31 A lot of times I'll still, you know, hit the 10 ring at 60 yards with, you know, a few 107:37 days off, but it feels a little odd. 107:41 It doesn't feel 100% locked in. 107:44 And then I have to do it again till I'm locked in. 107:47 And if I had to shoot an animal like that, like if I had a shoot, if I had a very difficult 107:51 shot on an elk at like 70 yards and I hadn't shot a bow in two months, I would not take 107:57 it. 107:57 I wouldn't be able to. 107:58 Right. 107:59 Which is nuts. 107:59 I've shot thousands of arrows at 70 yards effectively in a lethal zone and yet I wouldn't 108:08 be confident that I could do it, where there's a lot of other things that I would be very 108:13 confident that I could do if I hadn't done in months. 108:16 It's weird. 108:17 It is weird. 108:17 And I think because of that, because it's such an engrossing and involving process, 108:24 us. The process of archery in particular, and then bow hunting at the extreme level 108:29 of it. I think there's two different extreme levels of archery. There's target archery, 108:33 which I think is extremely mentally, but it's still a stable static shot, a static target 108:38 versus bow hunting, which is non-static, moving, enormous animals, and all their senses 108:44 and all the different things that are involved, wind, all the factors, elevation, changes. 108:49 There's a lot of stuff going on they're moving. There's a lot of things happening that you never can master it 108:56 No, there's no mastery you can get more effective than you used to be and there's different ways to do it 109:02 Mm-hmm, like I've got like I'm a very analytically mind bow hunter 109:06 I like breaking everything down understanding the thermals rise and fall the Sun first light last light 109:11 What are these thermals gonna do on this hill? Where's this buck coming from? 109:14 Where's the dough bedding where the scrapes outside of that dough bedding? 109:17 How do I get down one of them? How do I avoid the parking lots? 109:20 How do all of these things I've got this other buddy his name is Johnny Stewart who is just a deer 109:26 Like I'll go scouting with him 109:27 This guy kills two or three big bucks every year and you would think 109:32 This guy must have like a system and he's just like this feels like a place where they're deer 109:37 I'm like well John. What are you talking about right now? 109:39 It's like I don't know Bill, but like just the way this place looks to me 109:42 What's pattern recognition too, right? Yeah, but yeah, but he's pulling it from a place where he he can't cite to you 109:48 What's going on right whereas when I walk into a spot? I'm like well 109:51 I've got three intersecting trails that come here. There's you know do bedding over here 109:55 I've got two scrapes here the thermals come up at 8 30 109:58 So I want to be I want to wait for the thermal switch before I get into my stand 110:01 Otherwise my scent is gonna paint this side of the mountain and he's just like this looks good 110:06 It's interesting that there's people that are system-oriented, and then there's other 110:11 people that are instinctive. 110:14 That's a big factor in striking. 110:17 So in striking, one of the things that I find interesting is some people who are great 110:21 strikers, and by strikers I'm talking about martial arts, some people have a system, 110:27 and they're really good at showing their system and teaching their system, and other 110:32 people can't quite tell you what they're doing. 110:34 right they just know how to do it they know how to they know how to like do 110:39 something at varying speeds in order to fuck with someone's perceptions their 110:43 timing and reads yeah and they just do it instinctively and it's just they've 110:48 done it they've done it so many times they just know what they're doing but 110:52 they can't teach it yeah yeah it's so strange especially when you talk to 110:57 people who are at that very high level like I think you know but I've 111:01 become pretty good friends with George St. Pierre. 111:04 And him and I bear-hunted last year together, 111:07 and I spent basically a week with him. 111:09 And I didn't do jujitsu. 111:12 I did mixed martial arts in the military, 111:14 or I did combatives, we called it in the military, 111:16 for like seven, eight years. 111:17 So it was a little different. 111:19 Like you would learn the basics, 111:20 but then it would get into, all right, 111:22 now that you've got them in this position, 111:23 you can stab them hurt. 111:24 Now that you're in this position, you can break contact. 111:26 Or like, so there was a combat nexus to it 111:29 that wasn't strictly jiu-jitsu. 111:31 There was more to it. 111:33 And, but like talking to him, 111:36 and then just like messing around 111:37 or seeing like how he applies pressure 111:39 or what he's doing or how he's a great wrestler 111:42 and how he integrates these other things. 111:44 It's just when you deal with these people 111:46 or like with Gordon, it's like you're at a level 111:49 that's just, I couldn't ever get there 111:52 even if I hoped to. 111:53 And even if you could explain to me what's, 111:55 like in other words, Gordon could pin me in a position 111:58 and say, here's what you gotta do. 111:59 I still can't do it. You know what I'm saying? Like to him to him 112:03 And so they're just at such a level that even if they are able to articulate it to you 112:08 You're still not getting there because you don't have everything that it takes to bridge the gap from here to there 112:12 Well, Gordon's very 112:14 Systematic, you know and it comes from his teaching under Donna her like Donna her John Donna hers 112:20 I think the great mastermind of Jiu-Jitsu 112:23 he has a very specific systems and he breaks things down like they're very 112:28 technique oriented and then there's there's things that you just learn from 112:33 over the course of training there's the flow of it all yeah that you learn from 112:38 it but Gordon is like a great example of someone who's an amazing teacher as 112:42 well as an amazing jujitsu competitor because like his big part of his income 112:48 comes from his instructionals, selling instructionals, 112:52 because they're so good. 112:53 Yeah, I mean, that thing that's interesting to me 112:57 about Don and her is like, he's almost like 112:59 his first principles jujitsu guy. 113:01 Like when you hear him talk, like he breaks things down 113:03 to like very elemental levels, where it's like, 113:06 what is the point of jujitsu? 113:07 What are you doing with jujitsu? 113:09 Like what are you trying to establish? 113:10 And it's like, I'm not even thinking about these things, 113:13 but he's like, because I think his background's 113:14 in philosophy, right, or something like that. 113:16 Yeah, Columbia. Yeah, he was he was a professor. That's so it's crazy to that transition or at least was he a professor? 113:24 Was he it was definitely was a PhD I believe and then started doing jiu-jitsu because he was a bouncer and 113:32 Wanted to learn how to fight so I got probably should learn how to fight because he was a powerlifter at one point 113:35 I'm a rugby player. Yeah, and then became obsessed and you know 113:40 Became the greatest coach of all time and he's like a character from a film 113:45 Yeah, really doesn't it doesn't exist in real life because he's the guy who wears a rash guard every day. He goes 113:50 I saw pictures of him at a wedding. Yeah, you just took the words out of him. I mean, but he's a real eccentric 113:56 It's not like he's trying to be eccentric. It's like he's either this or he's a bad guy in a Bond movie 114:01 Okay, so it's six degree black belt arrived United States 91 to study at Columbia University's philosophy PhD program 114:08 After arriving in New York Donner was introduced to Brazilian jiu-jitsu continued training at the Academy became teaching classes 114:15 as well while Gracie, Henzel Gracie was traveling for competition. So did he 114:20 finish his education and did he start teaching? PhD. Yeah. Master's degree in 114:26 philosophy was pursuing a PhD. Okay. And so that's when he became obsessed. And so 114:32 while he was attending the university he worked as a bouncer in various Manhattan 114:36 nightclub. So I've elevated his education but a little bit. That's 114:39 insane. I thought he was teaching. But he, when he started teaching Jiu-Jitsu 114:43 He's like sleeping on the mats like he's he was there all day long every day another addictive personality 114:49 Not just that but a man who is obsessed with the do you know the Japanese term Kaizen? I've heard you talk about it 114:56 Yeah, Kaizen is you? 114:59 Continue to improve on one thing 115:02 Constantly where it's this never-ending cycle of improvement 115:06 And this is philosophy that applies to jiu-jitsu. This is a continual cycle of improvement 115:12 You know, there's certain applications that people have seen like the application of Kaizen 115:19 in engineering, for example. 115:21 Like a good example is like they take a specific platform and continue to work on, like a good 115:27 example is the Nissan GT-R. 115:30 You wear the Nissan GT-R? 115:31 Yeah, yes. 115:31 Okay. 115:32 So Nissan GT-R is one of the best examples of that where it is essentially the same 115:36 car for 20 plus years. 115:39 And they don't change the body shape. 115:41 They don't change the geometry. They don't change the way. It's all-wheel-drive sports car 115:47 But what they do is continue to refine it to the point where it was just fucking dialed in making it just 115:55 Constantly improving it and just dialing it and dialing it in further further further further 115:59 and if you get like a 116:02 2025 I think was 2025 or 2026 was the last year they made the GTR and you compare it to like a one that was released in the 116:11 God, what was the first GTR? 116:14 Was it 2000s? 116:15 Was it? 116:16 I think it was like 90s, I thought, but maybe early 2000s. 116:20 It might be early 2000s. 116:21 I think it's in the 2000s, but it almost looks the same, but they're so much better. 116:27 And that's the same with everything. 116:30 I mean, Kaizen, as applied to mixed martial arts, as a whole, like if you looked at 116:35 mixed martial arts as a whole, all of these individuals that are competing in it 116:39 and all these individuals that are pursuing it and teaching it and studying it, they're 116:43 essentially doing that. 116:45 They're taking this thing, that used to be this chaotic thing where there was certain 116:52 strategies that people had. 116:54 One guy was a brawler, the other guy was a grappler to get you down the ground, punch 116:58 you in the face a bunch of times, and then they're expanding the possibilities 117:02 to this insane level where you're seeing people now that are like on the Dana 117:08 a white contender series that would be absolute world champions in 1994. 117:13 And these guys haven't even entered the UFC yet because the level of the game, this constant 117:20 pursuit of excellence, and then this competition, this boiling pot of competition where you have, 117:27 I mean, how many MMA athletes are there worldwide now, who knows, it's got to be in the hundreds 117:32 of thousands of elite MMA athletes, when I say elite, I mean like guys who could 117:38 fight professionally. I would say they might not all be fighting professionally yet, but 117:43 they're at that level. When you introduce amateurs and you think about how many thousands and 117:49 thousands and thousands of gyms there are, and out of those gyms, how many people have 117:53 like people that are at a very high level? Fuck, it's crazy. So this is a new thing. 118:00 Like I say this all the time, but it really is accurate. Martial arts have evolved more 118:05 in the last 33 years than they have 118:08 in the last 33,000 years, and that is true. 118:11 Because from the time the UFC came about in 1993, 118:15 I mean the Brazilians were way ahead. 118:17 The Brazilians were way, the Gracie family in particular, 118:20 way ahead of the curve. 118:22 They were pursuing this and looking into this 118:25 in the 1940s and 50s. 118:27 Like Ilya Gracie was having mixed martial arts 118:29 competitions in the 1940s. 118:32 You know, they were having what they called it 118:33 Valley Tudo was anything goes and they were having fights in the ring in front of large 118:38 groups of people long before the UFC was ever around. 118:42 You know, Hicks and Gracie famously had them when he was 18 years old, when he became the 118:46 champion of the family. 118:47 I mean, he was defeating much larger people when he was 18. 118:51 Yeah.
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