In this episode of The Grounded Union Podcast , we touched on the fundamental misunderstanding most couples have about conflict - it's not about communication styles, it's about unhealed pain. Brandon and Caitlyn dismantle the myth that arguing stems from everyday disagreements like where to go to dinner, revealing instead how betrayal trauma, broken trust, and prolonged disconnection create explosive emotional reactions. They share their personal transformation from a cycle where Brandon's porn addiction triggered defensive responses and Caitlyn's pain was met with minimization. The breakthrough came when Brandon learned to lean into her pain rather than run from it, using specific body language techniques and their "Comfort Flow" method that prioritizes emotional validation over fact-correction, ultimately transforming adversaries into teammates. This episode is full of hard-won wisdom, emotional insight, and actionable tools for any couple ready to stop avoiding conflict and start using it as a gateway to deeper intimacy. Our 2025 Grounded Union workshop & intensive: 🏝️Maui, Hawaii – 3-Day Intensive, with lodging and meals included! (October 10th-13th) Maui Intensive: Tap here to apply Looking for immediate support in your marriage? Community for Men: Tap here to start your 14-day FREE trial Workshops for Couples: Join the waitlist to get notified Grounded Intimacy Program: Tap here for more info on our online couples program Follow us on social at @brandontalksmarriage & @caitlyn_doerksen Check out our IG account to stay updated @groundedunionpodcast YouTube Show available here Timestamps & Key Moments: 00:00:28 – Two Types of Conflict: The conversation opens with the distinction between everyday disagreements and conflict rooted in deeper wounds like betrayal or broken trust. 00:04:57 – Playing the Victim Card: How viewing yourself as society's casualty rather than your spouse's betrayer keeps you trapped in defensive cycles that destroy intimacy. 00:07:13 – The Gift of an Angry Wife: A new perspective emerges—an angry or frustrated wife is still engaged and willing to fight for the relationship, which can be seen as a gift of insight into her heart. 00:12:38 – A Counselor’s Pivotal Question: A powerful moment hits home when a counselor bluntly asks if Brandon’s actions made him an “asshole,” prompting honest self-reflection. 00:16:50 – Fight or Flight State: Caitlyn explains how betrayal discovery triggers panic and trauma, comparing it to being physically attacked. 00:20:54 – The Childish Argument Metaphor: Brandon uses the example of children fighting to illustrate that conflict can be a momentary outburst that, when handled constructively, can lead to a quick resolution. 00:22:41 – Grounded vs. Ungrounded Responses: Two core responses to a partner's pain are introduced: a grounded, powerful approach and an ungrounded, passive one. 00:26:59 – The “Mr. Pain” Bodyguard: Brandon introduces a mental picture to help men handle a partner's intense emotions by visualizing a "bodyguard" that helps them see the emotion as their partner's pain, not a personal threat. 00:28:31 – The Comfort Flow Tool: Introduction to their structured conversation template for processing pain and moving toward repair. 00:31:02 – The Problem with Robotic Apologies: Empty “I’m sorrys” are traced back to childhood conditioning—why they fail and what’s needed instead to repair real pain. 00:36:36 – Setting Up the Comfort Flow Example: They roleplay how to walk through the Comfort Flow when a spouse is newly devastated by a betrayal—showing what to say and what to avoid. 00:42:02 – The Source of Relationship Conflict: Brandon summarizes that relationship conflicts stem from underlying pain and separation, not surface issues like dinner choices, emphasizing the need to address root causes.
