Why Your Copy Isn't Converting w/ Joanna Wiebe | Ep 451
Joanna Wiebe invented conversion copywriting, and after eight years of barely-there YouTube growth, she grew her channel 3,000% in three months. She demonstrates the problem-agitate-solution and desire-obstacle-solution frameworks live with Chris, argues that voice of customer data beats clever taglines every time, and outlines the three-part moat she's building against AI: a book, YouTube, and stages. She also names the mistake founders make when they hire someone to fix a problem they should be solving themselves, and makes the case for personality over polish in a world where AI can summarize anything. Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (01:20) - Who Is Joanna Wiebe (03:13) - Conversion vs Direct Response Copywriting (04:07) - Problem, Agitate, Solution (PAS) Framework (08:16) - Desire, Obstacle, Solution (DOS) Framework (10:16) - YouTube Channel Turnaround Story (16:00) - 3000% YouTube Growth in 3 Months (19:44) - Building a Content Moat Against AI (22:15) - Personality as an AI-Proof Moat (26:36) - Quality Over Frequency Content Strategy Check out today's guest, Joanna Wiebe: CopyHackers' website: https://copyhackers.com/ Joanna's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@joanna-wiebe Joanna's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therealjoannawiebe/ Check out The Futur: Website: https://www.thefutur.com/ Courses: https://www.thefutur.com/shop Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-futur/ Podcasts: https://thefutur.com/podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thefuturishere/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theFuturisHere/ X : https://x.com/thefuturishere TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thefuturishere Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/thefuturishere Check out Chris Do: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thechrisdo/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BizOfDesign Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thechrisdo/ X: https://x.com/thechrisdo TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thechrisdo Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thechrisdo Behance: https://www.behance.net/chrisdo Produced by UNFLTR Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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