DEBATE: IVF, Surrogacy, & Donor Babies | Miracle or Moral Dilemma? Pro IVF vs. Anti IVF Women Clash - The Ellen Fisher Podcast

In this episode of The Ellen Fisher Podcast, I sit down with Kayde Mason and Katy Faust for a raw debate on IVF, surrogacy, and donor conception—are these modern paths to parenthood crossing ethical lines, or worth celebrating?

Kayde Mason, a surrogate, 5x egg donor, and founder of Surrogate Support, shares her personal experience helping families have children, while Katy Faust, founder of Them Before Us, brings a powerful critique of the fertility industry through the lens of children’s rights.

Is IVF and surrogacy a compassionate path to parenthood—or are there deeper ethical questions we’re avoiding? This conversation dives into the emotional, moral, and societal implications of creating life through modern fertility practices, asking whether everything that’s possible should be pursued—and if true common ground can exist in such a deeply divided space.

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