What do caves and adventure racing have in common? More than you might think. Dave Jackson, founder of CaveSim and a highly experienced caver, joins us to share lessons learned in the dark, cramped passages of the underground—and how those lessons apply to racing, teamwork, and managing fear. His traveling cave simulator teaches thousands each year, and his wisdom offers practical tools for when you find yourself deep in the unknown, pushing forward as a team. Thank you for listening. If you like what you hear, please like, click, and subscribe on your streaming platform of choice. This helps spread the word about Adventure Racing and TDZ's role in elevating the sport. Remember - You Keep Racing, and We'll Keep Talking! Show notes: https://www.cavesim.com/ https://caves.org/ Sponsor Links: https://www.ascendathletics.org/ Hike For Her Registration Page - https://raceroster.com/events/2025/99558/hike-for-her-2025 Hike For Her Auction Site - https://app.galabid.com/hikeforher www.wildernesstraverse.com
