How Not To Waste The Next Four Years: MIATTA FAHNBULLEH explains

If we’re stuck with a hard right government for the next four years, how should progressives best use this time? Chief Executive of the New Economics Foundation MIATTA FAHNBULLEH talks to Alex Andreou about the opportunities amid the chaos, how it’s impossible to triangulate where the Johnson government is going, and what Starmer needs to do right now to build the platform that can win in 2024.

• “It’s just not clear what the ideology of Johnson is. They’re more opportunistic than anything.”
• “These moments come up once in a couple of generations, where everything is thrown up in the air.”
• “We need to come together and say we need change. When people come together, politicians will have to listen.”

Presented by Alex Andreou. Produced by Andrew Harrison. Assistant producer Jacob Archbold. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Audio production by Alex Rees. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production

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