An Interview with Joe Long

Welcome Joe Long of Hackerboxes!

• Chris and Joe met (in person) at the vendor area of DEF CON 26
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• Hackerboxes is a subscription service for people who want to build electronics!
  • 0h 1m 15s
• It's not solely security focused, but often has elements of security.
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• It's also not just getting started folks
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• Used to teach engineering
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• Joe started as an engineer, going to school at CalTech
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• AppleII on BBS
  • 0h 7m 9s
• Eventually Joe got into IP law
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• He wanted to build a service the helped Build up the lab
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• Model car kit vs Lego kit
  • 0h 10m 42s
• Most suggestions come from users
  • 0h 15m 41s
• Sourcing
  • 0h 17m 25s
• Theme sometimes come after the fact
  • 0h 17m 47s
• Constraints
  • Under a pound
  • Fit in the box shape (10 inches)
  • Cost constraint
  • Educational
  • Coolness
  • 0h 18m 42s
• Yagi antenna in HB0023
• Don't ship power supplies/ batteries
  • 0h 22m 9s
• FAQ
  • 0h 25m 50s
• Wielding electricity
  • 0h 30m 41s
• Hackerboxes team
  • 0h 32m 39s
• They employ someone in Shenzhen to help with sourcing from China
  • 0h 35m 31s
• IP attorney
  • 0h 41m 0s
• Do you really want a patent?
  • 0h 44m 22s
• patents are sometying you use to protect and asset to sell it
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• chattel
  • 0h 45m 35s
• copyright is a simple form of IP
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• useful, non obvious
  • 0h 47m 58s
• Patent troll
  • 0h 48m 50s
• Using a patent as a hammer
  • 0h 50m 8s
• just to get started, 6 figures
  • 0h 50m 48s
• Silicon Valley episode about the Patent Troll
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• Will try to talk them out of it
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• Disclosure meeting
  • 0h 54m 46s
• 6 wheels instead of 4
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• "Need in the art"
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• "Unexpected result"
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• Novel is "necessary but not sufficien"
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• Utility patent - useful, novel and non obvious
  • 0h 57m 1s
• Limited monopoly
  • 0h 59m 35s
• patent office is giving a "reason for allowance"
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• Joe writes claims that capture the engineering terms
  • 1h 3m 27s
• Don't want to allow people to "design around"
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• Patent attorneys see new products every 4 - 6 days
  • 1h 6m 20s
• Software patents
  • 1h 9m 5s
• Patents for Google Wallet and Bing Maps
  • 1h 9m 34s
• Design vs Utility patent
  • 1h 10m 53s
• Data analytics example
  • 1h 13m 15s
• Machine or transformation test
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• international patent harmonization
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• Abstract concepts are never patentable
  • 1h 19m 37s
• It's tricky to read patents
  • 1h 21m 21s
• If there's an area of technology you like, you might want to read the patent
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• Pro se patents
  • 1h 23m 53s
• Patently obvious
  • 1h 24m 27s
• The funnel
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• $20K for patenting process
  • 1h 26m 17s
• 70% get issued of that 1% who get through
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• Patent granted (probably to a big company)
  • 1h 26m 44s
• longtechlaw.com
  • 1h 33m 55s
• USPTO
  • 1h 34m 10s
• Hackerboxes.com
  • 1h 34m 36s
• @hackerboxes
  • 1h 35m 41s