John Kelly's Power and Failure

Jacob Weisberg talks to Chris Whipple, author of The Gatekeepers: How the White House Chiefs of Staff Define Every Presidency, about what it takes to be a successful Chief of Staff, how John Kelly reinforces Trump's partisan instincts, and why he has failed even by his own narrow definitions of the job. Plus, an incredible coincidence takes place in the Seychelles. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices