Threats to "old" world order as leaders meet at Munich Security Conference

Michael Fullilove joins Saturday Extra from Munich where US Vice President JD Vance has shocked delegates, accusing European governments of retreating from their values, and ignoring voter concerns on migration and free speech. And David Rennie from The Economist poses the question; could there be a 19th century style carve-up of the world between great powers? A big, beautiful Trump deal with China?