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I'm John Favre. I'm Dan Pfeifer. On today's show, 1:52 we'll talk about Republicans starting to abandon once competitive races, 1:56 the speculation that Susie Wiles might soon be out of a job, the fact that Kim 2:00 Guilfoyle is out of a job, Katie Zachariah's A-plus debut as White 2:05 House press secretary, yet more corruption inside the White House, 2:09 Trump canceling that live execution, the latest on the Ilhan Omar ordeal, 2:13 and why J.D. Vance is definitely not gay. 2:19 Venuel here, Dan's conversation with Sherrod Brown 2:21 about the race to take back the Senate seat in Ohio. 2:24 Dan, how was it? 2:25 Are we taking it back? 2:26 I don't want to spoil it here, John, 2:28 so you have to wait to the end of the podcast 2:29 to listen to the interview. 2:30 Smart, that's smart. 2:31 I thought maybe a little tease. 2:33 Here's the thing I'd say, 2:35 is there ever such a thing as a bad conversation 2:36 with Sherrod Brown? 2:37 No, he's the best. 2:38 The best. 2:39 Again, he gets credit for my marriage, 2:41 so that's a good thing. 2:43 All right. 18 days until the midterms, Dems lead the generic ballot by just over nine points. 2:49 They're ahead by about three points in the closest Senate races. 2:52 Inflation is still climbing. We learned this week oil prices are still climbing. 2:57 But the Republican Party's closer is out there single-handedly trying to turn things around 3:02 with the focus and discipline for which he is famous. 3:05 And I want to mutilate, cut your children, your son leaves as Jimmy, and comes back home 3:13 in three days as Janet. 3:14 The ranked choice voting with a, you go into, I guess, some kind of a test tube or something. 3:19 I got the highest gay vote of any Republican in history. 3:23 I think because of the song. 3:25 My opinion, leaker should be shot. 3:27 I hate flies. 3:29 And some of the wild animals you have up here that like, that like eating you. 3:33 Because I'm a frickin genius as well. 3:35 You've got to spend the money in the United States. 3:37 It's called recirculating, it's called recirculation, it's called a lot of things. 3:43 Our country is making more money than it's ever made because of the fact that oil is 3:50 so high. 3:50 Tariffs don't cause inflation. 3:52 You know what they cause? 3:53 Wealth. 3:53 I've won my election. 3:55 I'm here whether we win this or not. 4:00 That's about it. 4:02 Most honest thing he said, his true feeling is about the election. 4:05 I won my election. 4:06 I'm here whether Republicans win or not. 4:08 What do you think the point of any of these rallies is? 4:13 I don't think he knows. 4:14 I think he's like, why are they making me do all these rallies? 4:16 They think it'll help. 4:20 And it's just something to say that they did something. 4:24 Really? 4:24 I think he wants to do them. 4:26 It's against the wishes of probably anyone who knows anything about politics, because 4:30 because there's just nothing helpful about them. 4:32 You don't think saying that he thinks people 4:34 who leak information to the press in a country 4:37 that supposedly reveres and protects the free press, 4:40 saying that they should be shot, you know, 4:42 that that's helpful. 4:43 Do you think it's helpful to say that it's good 4:47 that oil prices are high 4:48 because the country's never been richer? 4:51 That's not good to say. 4:52 Oh, or. 4:53 I think that's a bad thing to say. 4:54 Or the terrorists don't cause inflation, 4:56 they cause wealth. 4:58 Well, it's just like, 4:59 just thinking about it this way, right? 5:00 All right. So who is the voter in these states who will go to the Trump rally, but not was 5:06 otherwise, who was not otherwise going to vote in the midterm election? 5:09 Oh, yeah. Yeah. You don't think he's, you know, you think these are getting people 5:12 off the couch? 5:13 I think 10 years into the Trump show where we're not getting a bunch of like just random 5:19 onlookers who just want to check out the show. It is like the most hardcore fans 5:22 are going to vote. 5:23 So what are the people in the States consuming? The clips, right? Either on the news 5:27 or on the media and none of the clips are on message. 5:29 And anyway, should perform. 5:30 What do you think he thinks rank choice voting is? 5:34 And how do you think he feels like a test tube is involved? 5:38 I think that he equates science 5:40 with things he doesn't understand. 5:42 So he doesn't get it. 5:44 So therefore it must be science. 5:45 He thinks of science the way other people think of magic. 5:48 Something beyond the understanding of a common mind. 5:52 You put a bunch of votes in a tube and you pull one out. 5:56 So basically I just, if he was really trying to win the midterms, 6:02 look, I'm not worried about him picking my advice on this. Trust me. 6:04 But if he's really trying to win the midterms, he would shut up and just stop, 6:08 not do rallies for sure. For sure. 6:11 The best thing he could do would be to fade into the background and let this be 6:16 a race of bet between, you know, 6:18 John Husted and Sherrod Brown or Mike Rogers and Abdul Sayed. 6:22 and said he's making about himself, 6:23 a person who is underwater in every state in the country, 6:27 who's in the low 40s in states he won by 20 points. 6:30 Has to be the main character every single day. 6:32 And that's not great for Republicans. 6:34 No, it's not. 6:35 We talked on Tuesday about the Republican plan 6:37 to start, quote, trimming the map. 6:40 And now we have confirmation that it's happening. 6:42 Republican super PACs have pulled out of house races 6:44 that were once thought to be competitive 6:45 in New York, Nevada, New Jersey, Iowa, Michigan, 6:49 Ohio, Texas, and Nebraska. 6:50 On the Senate side, super PACs have pulled out of North Carolina and are pouring millions 6:55 into defending Nebraska, Kansas, and South Carolina. 6:58 Punch Bowl reports that Republican lawmakers in deep red states are approaching super PACs 7:02 with polls showing them losing. 7:05 And five senior Republican members of Congress have told Politico that keeping the House 7:10 is now likely impossible in their view. 7:14 I know your latest message box is about this. 7:17 Why should people view these spending decisions as maybe an antidote to their anxiety about 7:23 a potential systemic polling error? 7:26 Well, I think if you don't want to follow the polls, you should follow the money, because 7:28 these are the people who are tasked with, this is their job. 7:31 They are steeped in data of all kinds, voting data, polling data, focus group data, fundraising 7:38 data. 7:39 It is their job to maintain the Republican majority within the House and the Senate. 7:42 And they are acting like it is not just a blue wave, but we are on the cusp of blue tsunami like they have they like 7:50 If you want to read the subtext here that you're a couple of main takeaways one 7:53 They admit the house is gone. They have they have waved the white flag on it, right? 7:56 They are not they as you mentioned they are stop trying 7:59 They are no longer trying to beat some of the most vulnerable democratic incumbents in the country people like Greg Lansman in Ohio 8:04 Tom Swazi in New York even Henry Quay are in Texas, right? They pulled money from Susie Lee's race in Nevada 8:12 they're abandoning Republican incumbents like Tom Cain, 8:15 like they're abandoning the Republican seat in Nebraska, 8:18 another one in Iowa, and are moving money to, 8:22 and this is just fucking sweet irony, 8:25 the states that they redistricted. 8:26 That's amazing. 8:28 It is like the Henry Choir seat, 8:29 which is a district that they drew to flip, 8:32 abandoning that, moving it to another seat, 8:34 they drew to be an automatic Republican flip. 8:36 They're putting money in Florida, 8:39 spending $2 million in Florida 25 districts 8:41 that was supposed to be basically an automatic Republican pickup after the new district lines. 8:46 And then, and I mentioned this when we were back in Texas, they move money to Alabama too. 8:53 This was a district that Alabama just redrew to take Shamari figures, 8:56 districts and carve it up. Oh, right. And Trump won the new version of the district by 14 points. 9:02 It was an opportunity district before that. And they're putting money in it right now. 9:06 They're worried about that district because they drew the district that way. 9:10 And so that's a huge deal. And then on the Senate side, it's just, it's worth, like we're all, we're so focused on all the races and all the money and all the back and forth. 9:18 But I just think it's worth noting, John Ossoff entered the cycle as the most vulnerable Democrat in the country. 9:24 He's in a state that Trump won two or three times. 9:26 I say Democrats have rarely won before 2020. 9:30 And they've abandoned it. It's over. 9:32 North Carolina. 9:33 We haven't won a federal race in North Carolina since 2008. 9:37 In 2008. 9:38 When Barack Obama won the first time and and Kay Hagan won the Senate race in 2008, right? 9:43 And so that's they have no one is one of we have not won a federal state-wide race there since 2008 9:47 It's over. They've quit. I'm sorry to say that's a work group is finance team 9:50 But the Republicans are not running TV ads anymore. It's not just the super PACs Michael Wattley has currently has no TV 9:55 Reserve for the rest of the time. They're just like that's it. They're done and they're putting money in Nebraska in Kansas 10:03 Kansas the state of Democrat has not won a Senate seat in 10:06 since in 94 years, Herbert Hoover was president. 10:10 That on Trump was even born yet. 10:12 And then we haven't won a Senate seat since then. 10:14 So look, there could be some like just massive error 10:18 that everyone's polls are wrong. 10:21 Everyone. 10:21 Yeah, I was gonna say, if that's the case, 10:23 it's not like, ah, Democrats were too excited 10:25 and believed all the public polls. 10:27 It's like, no, it means that Republicans' 10:29 internal polling was completely wrong. 10:32 Yes. 10:32 And in previous cycles, when there's been 10:34 and Democratic Hopium. 10:36 You've heard a lot of Republicans out there. 10:38 We know the reporters they dished to, 10:40 showing their internal polls, showing, 10:42 no, we're not, Democrats don't really have a shot 10:43 in this race with that race. 10:45 You hear none of that this time. 10:46 No, the best you hear is some of them being like, 10:49 it's bad out there, but it's not quite as bad 10:52 as some of the polls are showing. 10:54 Which like, look, if we end up taking the house 10:57 and then it's a 50-50 Senate or a 49-51 Senate 11:01 and we lose some of these Senate races 11:03 is by like 0.2, 0.3, 0.5, a point even, 11:07 like it is, let me use say this in the piece, 11:09 but like it is unfortunately in line with a polling error 11:13 that is just a normal polling error and not something weird. 11:15 Yes, even if the polls are perfectly correct 11:17 within the margin of error, 11:19 the range of outcomes include Democrats 11:20 winning all the sentences we're talking about 11:22 and losing all of them. 11:24 Yeah. 11:24 Other than North Carolina and Georgia. 11:27 Which is crazy enough. 11:28 Yes, that is crazy enough. 11:30 Like, yeah, if we lost North Carolina or Georgia 11:32 We lost the house that would be shocking. Yes, but like anything any disappointment short of that is not necessarily shocking 11:38 It's just disappointing it would be shocking to the conscience and it would be terrible and we're gonna be very upset about it 11:44 But it would be statistically not shocking. I will say I mean the Republicans have more money than God 11:49 They've like never had so much money. It is interesting that with all that money 11:53 They're still pulling out of some races and let's I feel like moving money around is something that you do when you 11:59 to have a limited amount of it. 12:01 Well, so there's a few reasons for this. 12:02 One is Democrats raise most of their money 12:05 on the hard side. 12:06 So that means the candidates raise the money. 12:08 And so those dollars go much further 12:10 because we talked about before on TV rates, 12:13 the TV station has to offer them the lowest rate. 12:15 So that's one. 12:16 Two, Democrats also were very smart 12:18 and reserved their time early. 12:20 So they got better rates. 12:21 Republic, especially because Trump sat on his money 12:23 for so long, they were now having to pay 12:25 exorbitant rates for their ads. 12:27 And just as an example of how it works. 12:29 So James Helerico announced $65 million today. 12:32 He raised that. 12:33 So that's $65 million. 12:34 They did just for his campaign. 12:36 The equivalent of that in super PAC dollars 12:38 is about 180 something million. 12:41 So it is close to like basically what their public, 12:44 I think their Republicans are gonna be 12:45 all in $200 million in Texas. 12:47 Yes. 12:47 And so now he doesn't, 12:48 he can't spend that on TV in the three weeks. 12:50 Now some of that money's already been spent. 12:52 He didn't release cash on hands 12:52 because that's this report. 12:53 But Democrats are, we are still like, 12:58 I wrote about this in MedSports too, 12:59 but there's a really interesting data from ad impact 13:01 which shows that even despite all the money, 13:04 like in the month of September, 13:05 Republicans outspent Democrats by 25%, 13:08 but I think they only ran like 9% more ads 13:11 or something like that because of our, 13:12 both our strategy and our hard money advantage. 13:18 The other thing that's interesting is 13:19 There was a political poll which showed that 25% of people thought that Democrats were voting more ads. 13:25 I saw that. 13:27 Yeah. 13:27 Because they've just, they've seen more. 13:30 Or they've said they've seen more. 13:31 They recall more. 13:32 Like that's the big thing is it's ad recall. 13:34 You can run all the ads you want, but if the ad is not memorable enough to be recalled, 13:38 then there was no point in running the ad. 13:39 So Republicans are ads are more expensive and it appears that they are worse. 13:44 Right before we recorded, I'm sure. 13:46 You saw it because I think you put it in the slack. 13:48 But Trump went off on John Cornyn and Carl Rove. 13:53 Yeah. 13:54 Blaming them for a Ken Paxton loss that hasn't happened yet. 14:00 It's still like several weeks out. 14:03 I mean, he clearly talked to someone in Texas 14:04 who told him that things were trending 14:06 in the wrong direction. 14:07 The two races where Trump is going to take the most blame 14:11 if Democrats win is Texas 14:13 because Ken Paxton is the nominee 14:14 because of Donald Trump and South Carolina 14:17 where Darlene Graham is the nominee because of Trump. 14:20 It's one thing to point Darlene Graham 14:21 to just fill out the term as some sort of bizarre tribute 14:24 to Lindsey Graham by putting, here's your tribute, 14:28 we're gonna put an unqualified person in your job, 14:30 but he's the one who convinced her to run for the full term. 14:32 And if any of those other, 14:34 mostly lunatic Republicans who like Ralph Norbin 14:37 or whoever else who were running in the primary 14:38 had just gone, we're the nominee now, 14:40 this would not be a race, 14:41 but Darlene Graham has made it a race, 14:42 which means they're also spending $5 million there 14:45 right now. 14:45 They could be spent in some of these other districts. I mean you could also argue that North Carolina is a Trump problem Michael Watley was 14:51 Yeah, that's it. That's another one that is Mike Collins in Georgia against Oz off. Yes was a Trump one, too 14:57 That's right. That's you know what? We're got got my Thursday after the election day message box draft and going right now 15:04 Yeah, he's done a lot of a lot of great stuff for that. 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20:12 Right, right. 20:13 Well, yeah, we're gonna give them a head start though. 20:15 It's only sporting thing to do. 20:18 We are gonna, we do have to beat China, 20:20 but you know, it's tough. 20:21 We have to run even faster 20:22 because we're also giving them the chips they need. 20:24 Got it, got it. 20:25 So we better hurry up. 20:27 I guess the bright side here is that corruption 20:29 is finally registering with voters. 20:31 What would you make of that number popping now? 20:33 It's surprising to see at the top of the list, 20:35 but it's not surprising to see it so high up the list. 20:38 You know, we talked about this navigator poll 20:39 a couple of weeks ago where they asked people 20:42 the reasons why their costs were high 20:44 and government corruption was at the top of the list 20:45 or near the top of the list. 20:47 And people, they see what's going on. 20:49 They see, it's not just like in their minds, 20:51 it's not just Trump and the Republicans. 20:52 They see a government that's corrupt top to bottom, 20:54 But they can really connect that to why their prices are to the fact that they're getting screwed because you know 21:02 It's not just like my egg prices are up there. It's because Donald Trump did this crypto deal 21:06 It's just that there are all these fucking people in Washington, DC 21:09 Most of them are Republican most of them have the last name Trump who are getting filthy rich. I'm getting screwed 21:14 They're taking care of themselves are not taking care of me and those two things are connected 21:17 And we've seen Jim Kessler third way pointed out pointed this out to me on Twitter today that in the other in other elections 21:24 where you've had giant waves, there has been a combination of economic concern and government 21:27 corruption. 21:28 In 2006, there are a whole like a gazillion scandals, but it ended in the Mark Foley scandal. 21:36 And then in 1994 was the house bank, helped drive that too. 21:41 And so, you know, it's not like these things all come together. 21:44 And so it's very bad thing for the party who is led by the guy who's touring the 21:50 country right now who is deeply corrupt and also raised 21:53 everyone's prices. 21:54 Yeah. And I can't tell whether it's like just the 21:57 cumulation of all of these corruption stories or it's 22:00 any one in particular that has been broken through and 22:03 been really sticky for voters. 22:05 But you do hear in a lot of these focus groups now, 22:07 like even Trump voters who are sort of turning on the 22:10 president will bring up that like all he does is just, 22:14 he's like getting rich. 22:15 Yeah. 22:17 Like you just, 22:17 they just kind of know that it's just kind of 22:20 and bleeds through at some point. 22:21 Yeah, I think it is the accumulation. 22:23 And I honestly, a lot of people don't really give a shit 22:26 or they're so cynical that if the economy is going great, 22:29 they don't really care if the president dips their beak. 22:31 But when everything's fucked, 22:33 is all the Trump stuff that didn't really bother people 22:36 as much as we hoped in the first term 22:38 hit so much harder for him now 22:40 because people are very, very unhappy with what's going on. 22:42 So it's not, all the insanity is not funny 22:46 or charming or whatever else. 22:48 it's just an example of why things suck and it's true of the corruption too. 22:51 I really do think it's not the worst example of Trump's corruption, but all of the Washington 22:57 White House renovation shit, that to me is just because it's visual and it's easy to understand 23:05 and it's all he fucking talks about. Yeah. So I kind of think that even more, 23:10 even though that's not how he got incredibly rich, it was a lot of the crypto shit. 23:14 But I think that the White House renovation stuff, 23:18 just covering everything in gold, 23:19 building the fucking ballroom, all that. 23:21 I think that has really pissed people off. 23:23 And I'm not even sure people clock 23:24 like the quid pro quo of corporate donors to the ballroom 23:29 who then get government repairs. 23:30 It's more that it's a giant fucking vanity project 23:33 that the guy is building tacky monuments to himself 23:36 while I can't afford to put gas in my car. 23:38 People just look at like, what are you doing? 23:41 Yeah, yeah. 23:41 Well, if Americans do end up punishing Republicans for all this corruption on election day, they'll 23:47 only have one person to blame. 23:49 Susie Wiles. 23:51 At least that's who Donald Trump might blame, according to Politico this morning. 23:56 The president has reportedly been asking friends what they think of his incredibly 24:00 loyal White House chief of staff, and he has even reportedly started floating potential 24:05 replacements, including the following names. 24:09 Stephen Miller, Steve Wittkopf, Bill Pulte, Kevin McCarthy, 24:15 and of course, New York Yankees president, Randy Levine. 24:19 The last one is so funny. 24:21 It's like, I was reading that this morning at the Ascroc of Dawn. 24:24 This is like all the other names kind of make sense. 24:26 And then it's just like a random guy who works for the Yankees. 24:29 What? 24:31 Trump says this is all fake news, obviously, 24:34 but no one really believes that. 24:36 Who's your pick? 24:38 My pick, well, I gotta ask, am I picking who I want, 24:41 who I think it's gonna be? 24:43 Oh, okay. 24:45 I don't really know who I want. 24:47 It's all garbage. 24:47 Yeah, none of them, no, absolutely. 24:48 Honestly, I mean, I think she sucks. 24:50 I think it's ridiculous how much the press 24:52 gives her, you know, gives her all this favorable coverage, 24:54 but Susie Wallace is probably the best 24:55 of that option of rose gallery. 24:57 Yeah, no, I don't know Randy Levine. 25:00 That's right. 25:01 Randy Levine, that's a high variance pick. 25:03 Could be great. 25:04 Yeah, so I don't know. 25:05 The Yankees are quite good. 25:07 I don't really know what his job in the Yankees is. 25:10 No, I definitely hate Stephen Miller the most. 25:14 I think he's the- 25:15 That would probably be the worst. 25:16 That would be the worst. 25:17 Definitely the most dangerous for the country 25:19 and the world, I would say. 25:21 Let's see who do we think it would be? 25:23 Who do you think it would be? 25:24 It doesn't feel like Stephen Miller is a pick 25:26 that he wants to go with. 25:27 Not because he's like not that crazy 25:29 and likes what Stephen Miller does. 25:31 I think he's a little like, 25:33 he kind of wants someone who's, 25:35 Like Steve Witkoff, Bill Pulte, 25:37 seem more like the universe of people 25:40 that it's just like some guy who he can hang out with 25:44 and like a business buddy and also just like 25:47 let's him do whatever the fuck he wants 25:48 and has no real agenda of their own 25:50 other than like, what do you wanna do today, boss? 25:53 Yeah, I think that's right. 25:53 I would be surprised if it was Stephen Miller 25:55 just because he Trump, 25:57 I mean, you've heard the things about Stephen Miller 25:58 if he kind of, he understands Stephen Miller 26:00 and Stephen Miller's purpose 26:01 and I don't think running the White House 26:02 is what he thinks Stephen Miller's purpose should be. 26:04 Yeah, it kind of there's like a fork in the road here, which is Steve Wittkoff is just like here's a guy like hanging out with 26:10 He's rich too. He gets me. He's also kind of down with all of my self-enrichment schemes 26:15 We can just hang out together and do that and I don't really have to do any work 26:19 Bill Pulte is some of you like here 26:20 I got two years left and I'm going to use every level of the federal government to exact revenge on as many people as possible 26:25 Mmm, and I kind of want to stick a middle finger to all the haters bill Pulte is that person 26:31 Kevin McCarthy is who he picks if he's purely in the mood to have someone to humiliate for the last two years 26:38 Yes, whoever takes this job will be humiliated 26:41 Which is what you could see him like he clearly doesn't like Kevin McCarthy even if he pretends to like Kevin McCarthy 26:46 And so spending two years just like having Kevin McCarthy be the fucking punching bag for all of Washington 26:52 Including Donald Trump and trying to humiliate him all the time. It does seem like something Trump would enjoy that would be good for 27:00 content, I think. Also just let's back up a step. Imagine you're Randy Levine this morning. 27:07 Maybe you sleep in, you know, maybe you were up late, I don't even know what the baseball 27:12 schedule is, whatever else. And you, imagine how many text messages you wake up to and 27:16 you think like, did Aaron Drudge like blow his knee out on the way to the locker room? 27:21 Is it major, something major? I was named in playbook. 27:24 As a White House chief of staff, that's basically like if someone was like, you know what, we're 27:33 looking for new general managers for the Sixers, we're going to look at Bob Myers, you know, 27:41 Sam Presti, Dan Pfeiffer and John Feverow, just like what? 27:48 Could happen. It could happen. One other Trump lieutenant who may be, actually before we move 27:53 move on. Do you think that this is true? Like, do you think he'll let go of Susie Wiles? 27:57 I kind of don't. I don't. I think he is, he's looking for people to blame for what's going 28:03 on. And I think that there's plenty of people to blame. And I also don't think he gives 28:06 that much of a shit. And I think there's only one, John. One what? Person to blame. 28:12 Oh yeah, of course. But he doesn't know that. Well, he does, which is why he's 28:16 doing this. Right, right, right. But like, also it's like, he's got two years left. 28:20 all he wants to do is make money and, like, you know, have the... I don't know, like... 28:26 Decorate the White House. 28:27 And have someone who's loyal to him, which is Susie Wiles, right, and decorate the White House. 28:31 So, like, it feels... It feels like there's a plenty of other people he can fire or blame 28:36 besides Susie Wiles. But who knows? Who knows? 28:39 One other Trump lieutenant who may be forced to walk the plank, according to 28:43 Leigh Ann Caldwell at Puck, former White House political director James Blair, 28:46 The architect of the redistricting push who left the White House to run the midterm operation from the outside in fairness 28:53 Blair has been pretty busy earning hundreds of thousands of dollars from a pro-Putin government in the Balkans 28:59 So he's been busy doing that. So there's only so many campaigns you can keep track of history James Blair 29:04 Back in May he was the one who told playbook that his plan for this midterm was to paint Democrats as woke weak and 29:11 Way too liberal. He's tried. Did he do it? It's been the strategy. I guess what John 29:15 We'll find out in two weeks. 29:18 I mean, James Blair is a classic example of someone 29:20 who flew way too close to the sun. 29:22 Yeah. 29:22 Well, he also wasn't like a, he was never, 29:25 he sort of just fell into the job, right? 29:27 Like he doesn't have like a long history 29:28 of being a political's Bengali. 29:31 Yeah, I have no, I truly have no idea. 29:32 He's just, he's a guy who began to exist in my life 29:35 two years ago. 29:36 And when he said woke week and way too liberal. 29:38 Yeah, but he was, I remember he was on the campaign 29:40 and then he did a lot of playbook interviews 29:43 when he was in the White House. 29:45 A lot of play by interviews. 29:47 The thing I don't understand about this whole story is, 29:49 like, okay, so you blame it on James Blair. 29:51 He doesn't work in the White House anymore. 29:53 So like, what does that mean? 29:53 Well, he is running the, 29:55 he's the part of the people 29:56 who's spending $200 million in Texas. 29:59 Yeah. 29:59 He's also, I mean, 30:01 I'm sure it's probably Trump's fault 30:02 that they didn't spend money earlier 30:04 when it would have made more of a difference 30:05 or at least been able to get a sign-up to buy time. 30:07 But that's ultimately his job, is to figure that out. 30:10 Well, like what happens to him? 30:11 He can be fired from, he's getting all kinds, 30:13 I'm sure he's making ungodly amounts of money from all of the super PACs he's working for, 30:17 so he gets fired from those. 30:18 Yeah, and then just makes all of his money from whatever Russian... 30:21 Well, no, if you're on the outs with Trump, then... 30:26 Like, if you're a middling political operative whose entire benefit to people is that they 30:32 give money to you, it seems like they're getting access to Trump and you no longer have access 30:37 to Trump, you're going to end up on TNC with a star like Sean Spicer. 30:43 Speaking of which, uh, we should talk about which, what are we biving to Spicer or dancing with the stars? 30:48 We should talk about the brand new White House press secretary. Oh god damn it. That's a good transition. Yeah, you didn't even know 30:53 She's already taken the country by storm Dan 30:55 Uh, Katie Zachariah took the podium on Tuesday for a 14 minute briefing that included 31:01 Just three questions and came after she struggled to read a lengthy opening statement 31:05 That was just riddled with multi-syllabic words and compound sentences 31:10 afterwards, Zachariah, a minor fixture on right-wing TV, who has previously referred 31:15 to herself as an attorney, was asked where she passed the bar, to which she answered, 31:22 in China. 31:24 Turns out she did not pass the bar in China or anywhere, but her bigger problem is that 31:30 her new White House colleagues have already started anonymously knifing her, calling 31:35 her first briefing quote embarrassing and quote terrible on so many levels according to texts 31:40 received by the Daily Mail. One Republican operative just sent emojis of a dumpster fire. 31:48 Zachariah didn't brief on Wednesday or Thursday, which is odd because that is her job as the White 31:52 House Press Secretary. I don't know what else she's doing. Oh, she guess she did an interview 31:57 with MAGA Influencer on Real America's Voice where she attempted to explain both her rough 32:02 first outing and the whole, I'm a lawyer, 32:06 but not a lawyer situation. 32:07 Let's watch. 32:08 Typically, Jack, briefs are in the afternoon, 32:10 1 p.m., 1.30 p.m., where the press secretary 32:14 has ample amount of time to have discussed 32:17 with all the necessary people, 32:19 get all the right information. 32:21 Columbus Day is when I got the briefing materials. 32:24 And then Tuesday morning, they were completed. 32:26 And I woke up at three in the morning on Tuesday 32:28 to prepare with what I had, 32:30 but they weren't finalized until we didn't finalize everything until about 8 a.m. And I never 32:38 had a full briefing beforehand. I had already pre-registered to take the bar and I didn't 32:45 want to withdraw from that and we knew we would be moving out to China. And I was obviously 32:51 incredibly distracted and overwhelmed and excited for finally being married to someone who had 32:57 been long distance from for at least a year. The results are somewhat inconsequential because 33:02 I knew I wouldn't need the bar in China and we left for shortly thereafter. 33:08 She did work at a law firm in China, although I guess she didn't do actual attorney work. 33:17 Someone described the work that she did at the Chinese law firm as what a paid intern 33:22 would do. 33:23 I would like to say in that 45-second or so clip she blames the following people for her problems 33:30 Her staff 33:32 Christopher Columbus hmm the car her husband 33:39 Is that you like 33:42 She got it Monday 33:44 Columbus Day indigenous people's day, whatever you want to call it. Yep. She got it Monday 33:48 day. 33:50 And so she had 24 hours to prepare for the White House briefing and like, does she know 33:56 that usually when you do the White House briefing, you don't have that much time to prepare with 34:01 each successive day and you sort of just have to be up on the news? 34:06 Like back in the day when the briefing was a serious thing, the process is the assistant 34:12 president, there is a bunch of staff from all around the government and all around 34:14 in the White House, collect all the briefing materials. 34:17 They get all the guidance on the things. 34:18 They go through the news and they produce a folder, 34:21 a binder for the press secretary. 34:23 Press Secretary usually has a couple of hours at most 34:25 to read that and then breeze. 34:28 And so I don't, her, the 36 hours or 24 hours, 34:32 whatever she had seems like excessive. 34:34 Also, you can't get it in advance 34:35 because you don't want changes. 34:37 The news. 34:37 The news. 34:38 Yes. 34:39 Also, what is she talking about? 34:41 She took three fucking questions 34:43 from Breitbart, Fox News, and The Daily Mail that she couldn't prepare 24 hours in advance 34:51 for her briefing where she took three questions from three of the most right-wing outlets in America, 34:58 the world. It was 14 minutes, and she needs at least two hours per minute for prep, 35:02 so she didn't have sufficient time, so be fair. And she's not really a lawyer? No. That means 35:09 the thing like she graduated law school she did she didn't she didn't pass the 35:13 bar plenty of people go to law school never take the bar so that's not the 35:17 issue the issue is that she told the press yesterday that she passed the 35:19 bar she also called herself a general counsel at one up for jobs yeah you 35:24 definitely can't call yourself general counsel if you're not in fact general 35:27 counsel and haven't passed the bar yeah it just it seems like it a 35:31 disturbing path like obviously this is on brand for this position the 35:34 Trump administration but she is lying to the press a lot about some pretty 35:38 basic things that are actually public records and provable. 35:42 Now, there was one good review of her first outing. 35:47 Here's the headline, Katie Zachariah delivers a powerful inaugural briefing from the White 35:53 House. 35:54 Well, you know what? 35:55 They put out a statement. 35:56 They put out a whole press statement on that. 35:59 Not what you want. 35:59 I'll tell you that. 36:02 You know what? 36:02 Outlet doesn't have to suffer through 14-minute White House briefings with zero information. 36:07 You know what, if you people become subscribers, we could. 36:11 We could. 36:12 We need someone in that room with Katie Zachariah asking the hard questions. 36:15 Isn't that what you want? 36:16 Do you want her to just, you know, whiff questions from Breitbart and Daily Mail? 36:20 Or do you want a crooked media reporter in the briefing room peppering her with questions? 36:26 If so, subscribe, Cricut.com slash friends. 36:29 You can support what we're doing here at Cricut. 36:30 It's the best way to support our growing, independent, pro-democracy media company. 36:35 Plus you get ad-free episodes. Plus you get a whole bunch of subscriber shows and newsletters. It's great 36:39 I'm not authorized to say this so you cut out the podcast, but I think that if we get 36:46 1000 new subscribers by Halloween, we're gonna send read to the White House briefing read. Oh, that's a good one 36:51 Yeah, he's on the East. I was gonna say Elijah, but he's got he's further away. I think we should send Elijah 36:56 We should make him drive. Oh, you know what for an idea line credit 37:00 You know what? 37:01 That's his commute every day. 37:03 2000 more subscribers by Halloween. 37:05 Elijah will, he will live stream his drive. 37:08 To the White House. 37:09 Yes, to the White House. 37:11 So he can ask Katie Zachariah if she's still there. 37:14 If she outlasts Karamuchi. 37:16 I did see in playbook this afternoon, 37:18 West Wing playbook that like, you know, 37:20 some of the White House people were like, it was bad, 37:22 but it wasn't so bad that, you know, 37:24 that she probably is gonna hang on for a while. 37:26 And because she def has defended Trump on TV for so long and he likes her still 37:31 You know that buys her some time to get better like were you aware that she was a person who existed before she got this job? 37:37 No, I'd never heard of her name and you watch her. I've never seen all day long. Yeah, never seen her on Fox 37:42 Yeah, was she on Fox or was she on one of those like I don't know way and sort of news max 37:47 the only thing I read is that she 37:49 tried to get a job at GSA and 37:52 Her vision of the job was that she was gonna be a public-facing spokesperson promoting the ballroom 37:56 And GSA wanted her to, the General Service Administration, 38:00 people in charge of government buildings, 38:01 wanted her to manage the press office there. 38:04 And that was, they couldn't come to an agreement. 38:07 Do you see the story that when she was in China, 38:10 her husband, that she was so excited about marrying, 38:12 that she forgot to take the bar, 38:14 that he was doing business with a company in North Korea 38:18 that was on the sanctions list? 38:19 I did see that. 38:20 Also, just imagine, I know this is sort of exhausting, 38:24 But imagine what the world will look like if Jen Psaki had been in a, had worked for 38:34 a Chinese law firm, a communist Chinese law firm. 38:38 And Greg was out there doing business with North Korea. 38:42 Like, I mean, Fox News would talk about nothing else. 38:46 The briefing would be about nothing else. 38:49 It's just... 38:50 It's wild. 38:51 Yeah. 38:51 Well, good for her. 38:52 One bit of news that she did make was confirming for the world 38:56 that Kimberly Guilfoyle was officially out 38:59 as ambassador to Greece, 39:00 immediately letting the air out of maybe the best story 39:02 of the year and prompting even more reporting 39:05 about her corrupt dealings 39:06 and how she spent her final days. 39:09 What were your favorite bits? 39:11 How sad are you that this one's over? 39:13 Or maybe it's not, 39:13 maybe we haven't heard the last of Kim Guilfoyle. 39:16 One of my abiding passions is US-Greece relations. 39:19 So I'm glad that she's gone. 39:21 I take this very seriously. 39:21 I always have. I think the funniest part in the Wall Street Journal story about her final days 39:27 is that in there it reports that she has decorated the embassy full of self-portraits. 39:33 I did like that. 39:34 Yeah. I mean, it's not surprising, but it is funny. 39:37 I like that, first of all, I loved Trump's comment about the whole thing, which was, 39:43 she wasn't a member of my family. She, I guess, dated my son a long time ago. 39:48 I mean, in fairness, she did not get married to Donald Trump Jr. 39:52 And even if she had, Trump wouldn't have gone to the wedding. 39:56 Tommy and I talked about this briefly on YouTube yesterday. 39:59 And my guess was that she stays, she doesn't come back here because she's too embarrassed 40:04 and she stays in Greece to marry one of those Greek sugar daddies that she has been doing 40:12 all kinds of corrupt dealings with. 40:14 Sure enough, New York Post headline today. 40:16 Oh, wow. 40:16 Kimberly Guilfoyle plans to look, quote, 40:19 for a rich European husband after Greek embassy exit. 40:24 Nailed it. 40:26 Nailed it. 40:27 Dieters, Eric Dieters, who's the AmEx guy, 40:30 the guy that she wanted to pay off her AmEx bill. 40:33 He also filed a defamation suit in Kentucky this afternoon 40:38 against Guilfoyle for her and her lawyer 40:41 claiming that he owed her money 40:44 and has not fulfilled his obligation. 40:45 So he's he's suing her. That's cool. Awesome amusing in that story 40:49 I will say that's good is that she tried to tell the White House that the all the text messages were AI generated 40:54 That's amazing. Yes, just amazing 40:57 And then she's like watching all the coverage from Greece like nervously and she apparently reached out to Matthew Boyle 41:03 Who's the the the Breitbart bureau chief to try to help lobby the administration on her? 41:09 She's always hustling Kim. Yeah, he's always hustling. That's how she got to where she is. 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Ford, sits down with Kyle to hear how 43:38 We built it, listen now wherever you find your podcast. 43:44 So I guess this is what passes for good news these days, 43:46 but Trump has officially backed down 43:48 from Pete Higgs's plan to live stream 43:50 the firing squad execution of Fort Hood shooter, 43:53 Nidal Malik Hassan. 43:54 After most Democrats and some Republicans 43:56 expressed discomfort with that obviously horrific idea, 44:00 Trump finally shut it down on truth social, 44:02 writing that while the live stream 44:03 would have been a quote, 44:05 strong deterrent for the world, 44:07 many very good and well-meaning people 44:09 would rather not watch Hassan die through streaming or through any other visual device 44:14 that seems to be very specific there. As far as who some of those very good and well-meaning 44:19 people might be, turns out it's eight and 10 Americans according to a brand new wash 44:23 and a post poll. Did that surprise you? It didn't surprise me. 44:26 I think the number, you think it surprised you, you think it should be, you thought 44:31 more people want to watch it? 44:32 No, I said it didn't surprise you. 44:33 Oh, I was, yeah, the surprising part is why is it nine and 10. 44:35 Oh, I, you know, I mean, they went through every demo demographic group, like Republicans 44:42 against it, the only demographic group supporting it by like 52, 53%, MAGA men. 44:50 Yeah. 44:50 It seems about right. 44:51 And even then- 44:52 Which is what, that's Pete Hexeth. 44:54 That is Pete Hexeth's constituency right there. 44:55 But even then, those guys want to, they will tell people they want to watch it, but they're 44:59 not watching it. 45:00 Yeah. 45:01 Pete Hexeth spokesman said that Hexeth and Trump spoke before Trump's announcement 45:04 and the two are, quote, completely aligned and sound very aligned. 45:09 They're aligned in the sense that Pete Hickseth wanted to do one thing and then Trump publicly 45:13 reversed it. Now they're aligned. Yes. 45:17 I think this is a, what do you think, auspicious start for Pete's 2028 campaign? 45:21 Yeah, probably. I think there's been several. The auspicious start was the decision to go 45:27 to war with Iran. That was probably the original sin in this. 45:30 I'm very much on the impeach Pete Hexett train if we take back Congress 45:35 I think it's probably yeah, cuz I think I think if we take back Congress the biggest issue one of the biggest issues will be the war that caused the inflation 45:43 He's the one who got us into the war. He's also a fucking war criminal 45:48 And and just a regular criminal because we weren't at war with the other boats of civilians that he blew up 45:54 In the fucking Caribbean, so yeah, I mean it has to say I agree with you. I'm all for it 45:59 I've argued on this podcast and my newsletter in many places that as deserving as it is, 46:05 impeachment Trump is not the best use of our time and energy, but impeachment Hexath, I 46:08 would be for that. 46:09 And we had the same problem that I don't think it was going to result in him being removed 46:13 or replaced with someone who's suddenly making decisions that we would welcome. 46:19 Like Kimberly Guilfoyle? 46:21 Defense, sect death, Guilfoyle. 46:24 We also have a more disturbing update about the administration's legal assault on 46:28 Congresswoman Ilhan Omar. Earlier this week we talked about federal officials 46:31 searching Omar's DC home. We now know that they seized Omar's phone and that 46:36 they've subpoenaed her relatives in an effort to try and strip her of U.S. 46:40 citizenship and deport her. So again, people know she was 17 when her father 46:47 became a naturalized citizen. She came here when she was 11 or 12. At 17 her 46:53 father became a naturalized citizen and investigators are examining whether 46:56 her age was deliberately misrepresented to make her eligible for citizenship as a minor. 47:02 So if she had been 18, I guess she would have had to apply on her own, but because she was 17, 47:08 she just automatically gets citizenship when her father was naturalized as a citizen. And so 47:13 basically they're saying she was actually 18 at the time. And so he said she was 17 when she 47:17 was really 18. And apparently investigators examined a similar tip that they were given 47:23 during the Biden administration, 47:25 but never pursued it because of a lack of evidence. 47:30 Most of the reports point out how unusual it is 47:32 for this sort of step to be taken so close to an election. 47:35 That's also true, but what do you make of all this? 47:38 And the fact that the Trump is doing it now 47:41 and do you think they actually believe 47:44 that they can strip her of citizenship, 47:47 that they can win this case 47:49 or bring this case against her? 47:50 Or do you think it's just for political show? 47:53 So either way, it's horrific, but I mean, I think this is such a bigger deal than the 47:57 attention it's getting. 47:58 Yeah. 47:58 Just me too. 47:59 The president of the United States has dispatched his politicized Department of Justice to investigate 48:05 a sitting congresswoman three weeks before an election for the express purpose of deporting 48:10 that congresswoman, stripping her upper citizenship and deporting her. 48:15 That is fucking bananas. 48:17 Bananas. 48:18 And whether they, I'm sure they think they can do it. 48:21 They always think they can do it. 48:22 They're too fucking stupid to know if they can do it or not. 48:24 They just go for it. 48:25 But the fact that they're doing it and trying to do it 48:28 is the scary part. 48:30 Yeah. 48:31 The denaturalization stuff, even before 48:34 Ilhan Omar was mentioned. 48:34 You've been talking about this for a long time. 48:36 It is the scariest thing, potentially, 48:40 in the whole Stephen Miller arsenal of actions 48:44 that he's been trying to take. 48:46 And he has been wanting to do this for a long time. 48:49 This was a Project 2025 thing. 48:50 he said this before 2024 and the government brings denaturalization cases like a handful every year 48:59 and it's usually for someone who recently became a citizen and knowingly committed fraud to become 49:04 a citizen. I mean Stephen Miller wants to go after basically every immigrant who is a naturalized 49:11 citizen of the United States who he doesn't like and have investigators at DHS or FBI or DOJ 49:18 or whatever, like dig through their lives, strip them of citizenship, and deport them. 49:23 And that means that like no one who is a naturalized citizen of this country, who's an immigrant 49:30 at some point but is now a naturalized citizen who has their citizenship, is safe from being 49:36 harassed and investigated by the federal government if you piss off Stephen Miller 49:41 and Donald Trump or someone in the Trump administration. 49:42 I mean it is it is the it's fucking awful and like it's you know anyone and you know Marjorie Taylor Green 49:52 Said like I don't like Ilhan Omar. I never have but I mean trying to get her kicked out of Congress 49:56 right, but like this is this is a crazy thing to do and 50:00 You know if people think this kind of thing stops at Ilhan Omar 50:05 Absolutely not. That's not worse and Stephen Miller has basically told us this so it's it's not it's certainly not a one-off 50:12 I do think that they're going to have an incredibly hard time doing that. 50:16 I mean, there's the statute of limitations on immigration fraud, which is long since past. 50:21 Her father died in 2020, I mean, they would have to prove not just that her father like 50:28 knowingly committed fraud, but that somehow she at 17 years old also knowingly committed 50:34 fraud and they'd have to have hard evidence of that. 50:36 And even then they'd have to go through court and prove it in a court of law. 50:39 So it's like, it is a long way from them actually being able to do it, but just the 50:43 fact that they harassed her, have gone into her house, have taken her phone or now digging 50:47 through her life because of this is fucking insane. 50:51 And using the federal government to spread the idea that one of the Trump's political 50:55 opponents is an illegitimate citizen of the United States. 50:57 Yes. 50:58 Even if you can't actually take it away, it's the weaponization of that idea that 51:02 is so dangerous. 51:03 And it's not just Trump and Stephen Miller on this one, like JD Vance has been 51:07 saying it too. 51:07 I mean, this is a big thing on the right. 51:10 This is, you know, Steven Miller, Todd Blanche, 51:12 all of them are involved here. 51:13 Speaking of JD Vance, one last thing 51:15 before we get to your conversation with Sherrod, 51:17 Vance went to Texas this week, 51:20 where he showed off his sharp wit 51:22 and heterosexual orientation. 51:24 Now before we get started, I love you too, sir. 51:28 And a totally platonic way to be clear. 51:34 I'm the vice president, not James Calarico. 51:36 You get it, Dan? 51:38 No, no, be more specific. 51:40 Do you get the joke? 51:41 Yeah, when someone says, I love you, 51:42 he says, I love you back, 51:44 but just want to make sure not in the fucking gay way, 51:47 like gay James Tallarico, 51:49 who's gay because he's said something nice 51:52 about trans kids once. 51:54 And so therefore I'm going to insinuate 51:58 that he's a pedophile, 51:59 which I did at the convention 52:01 and because I love to see his web history. 52:04 He did it, he did it at this event too. 52:05 He did this event too. 52:06 And again, this is all because James Tellerico 52:08 said a nice thing about trans kids once. 52:11 That's where this is coming from. 52:12 There's nothing else there. 52:14 And so he's using that to then say he's gay. 52:19 Now, where this is like a, 52:21 like if you were like in seventh grade, 52:22 you would be too old for that kind of humor. 52:25 If you were in seventh grade in 1997. 52:28 Yeah, right. 52:29 It's just, it's so unfunny. 52:33 It's so that's what like I put us like put aside how offensive it is. I was gonna say put yeah put all that aside 52:38 It is the dumbest fucking joke 52:41 The guy is like he's so he he everything he does seems so 52:47 Artificial forced it's just like God. How it's he's just a 52:54 Goober and he's been it. He's I I 52:56 Guarantee this he has been made fun of as a gigantic fucking nerd his whole life and now he has 53:03 an airplane arm guards with him and he thinks he is cool and tough and he's trying to be a bully now 53:09 and he's so bad at it and it's just it's like there's such little self-awareness and self-confidence 53:15 and it's so driven by insecurity like to just think that if he just declares how straight he is 53:20 all the time like this like what is he no homo no homo it's just very it's so embarrassing 53:28 Now, if you want to hear a bully who is confident in his sexuality, let's listen to JD Vance's 53:36 boss in Ohio this week. 53:38 I don't do this with Ben very often. 53:40 I started examining his body because I didn't know he was a great athlete. 53:45 And I looked and I watched up and down. 53:48 I looked at his ass and I looked at the hole. 53:50 Yeah. 53:51 The piece of ass in question is John Husted. 53:56 Yes. 53:57 In case you were wondering, Republican Senate candidate from Ohio and Donald Trump is just 54:02 checking out his ass. 54:04 See? 54:05 Good for him. 54:06 You know what? 54:06 More power to him. 54:08 We're not here to kink shame. 54:09 I would love, I would love someone to ask JD Vance about Donald Trump's comment. 54:13 See what he thinks about that. 54:15 Probably be a little jealous, honestly. 54:16 Did you see John Ossoff's Vance comment the other night? 54:22 On Chris Hayes, Chris Hayes asked him about Donald Trump and he, oh, he asked him about 54:26 JD Vance sort of going around just being a dick, which I guess, I guess JD Vance's 54:30 role in the final weeks is just like, go around the country, be a huge fucking dick. 54:35 Make sure you let everyone know that you don't like dick, just that you are a dick. 54:39 It's very important distinction. 54:40 Very important distinction. 54:42 And you know, and so JD Vance that he's making fun of James Taylor Rico, he called 54:46 Abduld a little weasel who should shut up and be grateful for his country? 54:54 Yes, that's what he's doing. So anyway, so Chris asked Ossoff about this the other night. And here's what he said 54:59 Donald Trump has cemented his legacy in American history as a failure and a disgrace 55:06 JD Vance will go down as a footnote in that disgrace. God 55:12 God it's so good. I 55:15 Don't want to I don't want to do the like, you know 55:16 I'm glazing us off every time he has a clip there, but it's it's look going after JD Vance like that 55:23 You got me. Yeah, it is. I mean he just the way in which he delivers an insult 55:30 And the thing is it doesn't break character doesn't it like if you just watch this is strictly the second debate 55:37 They're standing so close together and he is just ripping Mike Collins a new asshole over and over again 55:44 And it's really, I know you're talking about the acts, 55:49 but he is one thing I know he does very well, 55:51 and this is it. 55:52 And honestly, I love it in situations like this. 55:55 Now, the bad news from that debate was, 55:57 did you hear him again? 55:58 He said again, he's not gonna run for president in 2028. 56:01 But then he also said he pledged to serve 56:03 a full term in the Senate. 56:05 Is he really, do you think that's shutting the door on it? 56:09 He might have to be drafted, John, I think. 56:11 I will say I forgot that our old boss had also pledged to serve a full term 56:16 Yes, but he he did but that but he unlike Ossoff had two years between winning that term and running for president 56:24 Right, but then but then the other side of that is Ossoff has served a full term. He has yes 56:29 The baby Barack Obama had been a state senator 56:32 Honestly, if you parse the words he's saying he's not thinking about running for president 56:37 Well, she probably isn't because he's running for re-election. 56:40 That gives you plenty of running. 56:41 And he said he's going to serve a full term. 56:43 He did serve a full term, John. 56:45 Oh. 56:46 Just saying. 56:48 But remember, Obama then went out right after the election, did meet the press, and opened 56:52 the door. 56:54 We'll see. 56:55 We'll see. 56:56 We'll see. 56:57 All right. 56:57 When we come back, Dan's conversation with Sherrod Brown. 57:07 Positive America is brought to you by Quints. 57:09 You know those pieces in your closet that you find yourself wearing on repeat? 57:12 The sweater that goes with everything the perfect pair of pants or the t-shirt you somehow always reach for first 57:17 Those are the pieces that make getting dressed easy and that's what quince does best 57:21 Quince focuses on high-quality wardrobe staples made with premium materials like 100% Mongolian cashmere 57:26 Organic cotton and merino wool the styles are timeless versatile and designed to become the dependable pieces 57:32 They're 100% Mongolian cashmere sweaters start at just $60 giving you the softness and quality you'd expect from a luxury brand without the 57:38 luxury price tag. 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How are you feeling? 59:18 Game three right now, one o'clock. 59:20 Right now, wow. 59:21 They moved it from six to one because of weather, so. 59:23 Okay. 59:24 So, we got campaign stuff to do today, 59:26 but this fit and game three, 59:29 and it's pretty exciting in Cleveland. 59:31 Okay, that's great. 59:32 I got seats. 59:32 I got seats way up in the upper deck in the cheap seats. 59:36 That's right. 59:36 People I'll meet a lot of people there that are their tickets aren't that expensive like regular people in the upper in the third of three decks 59:44 So when we see your opponent in a luxury box somewhere is that possible? 59:51 Who knows I'm glad you brought up the baseball game because we love baseball and sports here 59:56 But also because my first question to you is about the ungodly amounts of money being spent in Ohio 60:01 The Senate Republicans just took out money 60:04 from North Carolina and Georgia. 60:06 They're putting more money into your state 60:07 to try to defeat you. 60:09 I cannot imagine what it's gonna be like 60:11 to watch the game today. 60:12 I imagine every commercial will be about you 60:14 or Amy Acton or the other side. 60:16 How are you surviving 60:17 the sort of unprecedented financial assault? 60:21 Yeah, two nights ago my daughter 60:23 who's in her forties was a huge fan as a kid. 60:26 We used to take, we used to keep score together. 60:27 She and Connie and I watched Game 2, Game 1, 60:33 and watched the Chicago Game 5. 60:36 And it's a little bit nerving to sit there with your kid, 60:39 even though she's in her 40s 60:40 and watched these nasty-lying ads. 60:42 I mean, it's what they do. 60:44 They are spending, they're up to about, 60:46 we think, 280, 290 million. 60:49 The crypto data center crowd, 60:51 same people are up to 40-some million now. 60:54 But there's more of us than there are them. 60:55 and they're talking about stuff that's just not true. 60:59 Instead of talking about the war, talking about prices, 61:03 talking about cuts in rural health 61:05 and cuts in insurance and cuts for everybody. 61:08 I mean, that's just not working this year 61:11 because people realize the real problems in our society. 61:14 The amount of money is so obscene 61:17 that I live in California and I see ads about you 61:20 if I watch Ohio State on Saturdays 61:23 because they're running national ads in some of these places, 61:25 just to reach the small slice of voters in Ohio. 61:28 Yeah, I didn't even know these were national ads. 61:30 I know that, yeah, I know most of our money, 61:33 literally 60% of our money we raise 10, 25, 61:36 and I asked people to come to shareitbrown.com. 61:39 That makes a huge difference, 10, 15, 20 bucks. 61:42 That will win this race 61:43 because our contributions are grassroots, theirs are not. 61:46 You mentioned the crypto packs, 61:47 the crypto industry spent a ton of money 61:49 to feature you in 2024. 61:51 for their back ad at this time around. 61:55 What is it about you? 61:56 But they're very mad about their bill going down. 61:59 You weren't actually in the Senate when the bill went down, 62:01 but they're still running ads against you. 62:04 Like, why are you at the top of their enemy's list? 62:06 Well, it's two things. 62:07 One, I've spent my career taking on Wall Street, 62:10 taking on Big Pharma, taking on Big Oil, 62:14 and been successful in many cases. 62:16 And that's one reason. 62:17 The other reason is John Houston is their boy. 62:19 He's called the fair-haired boy from, 62:23 I'm sorry, the golden boy by first energy executives. 62:26 And there was a $61 million bribe from them 62:29 to send the Speaker of the House to prison. 62:31 He's called the face of data centers 62:33 and they are immensely unpopular in both parties. 62:36 All that money, they know he's their guy. 62:39 They know I'm gonna hold him accountable. 62:41 And I guess it's the perfect storm. 62:43 So they spend literally tens and tens of millions of dollars. 62:47 You know, everyone is talking about data centers now. 62:49 I see it in campaign ads all across the country. 62:52 But I think the first time I saw a national politician 62:55 or a statewide politician running ad about data centers 62:58 or talking about data centers and stuff, it was you. 63:00 Why were, so how did you end up sort of ahead 63:02 of the curve on this? 63:02 And why are data centers such a potent issue 63:04 in Ohio in particular? 63:06 Well, I listen to people. 63:07 You go particularly in rural kind of more Trump country, 63:10 but even suburban areas of cities, 63:12 you hear about it all the time. 63:13 And you hear about it 63:14 because it's an example of a rig system 63:16 that John Hustad is the guy. 63:19 As I said, he's the face of data centers, 63:21 not my words called that by the media. 63:23 He got $2.5 billion in tax giveaways from the state, 63:27 from state taxpayers. 63:29 They come in, there are 225 data centers 63:32 either built or in the process of being built in Ohio. 63:37 They're gobbling up farmland, they're drinking up water. 63:40 where people have no say in their construction 63:44 and their land and all that. 63:46 And then they're gonna pay higher electric bills. 63:48 We have some of the highest electric bills in the state. 63:50 So it's a combination of, I just listened to people. 63:54 And John Hewsted is totally, like he is, 63:56 he's totally their guy. 63:57 I mean, he was a special interest guy in Columbus 63:59 for insurance companies for kind of everything, Wall Street. 64:05 Now he's a special interest guy in Washington 64:07 looking out for Jeffrey Epstein. 64:09 He's got major dollars way more than any other senator from the Epstein collaborator. 64:17 He's got a conspirator. 64:19 He's got money from everybody that is every special interest that you talk about on this 64:24 show. 64:24 No surprise there, but it was so clear that people wanted a voice standing up to these 64:30 data centers, making sure their electric rates didn't go up, making sure these tax 64:34 giveaways end, and making sure that people had a say in their local communities. 64:39 Do you have thoughts on if and when you're elected, 64:42 what a Senate could do to rein in data centers, 64:45 put some rules of the road to deal with AI even more broadly? 64:48 Sure, you put, AI is the next step 64:51 and there is no real consensus there. 64:54 But to start with, you take away tax breaks. 64:57 You require that the electricity costs are paid 65:00 by the billionaires mostly from out of state 65:03 and you give local communities more say 65:05 because one day I was in near Bowling Green, a good state university there just south of Toledo, 65:13 very good flat farmland. You can almost see Chicago from there. And I was driving at one of the 65:18 biggest data centers in the Midwest is there. They're building 280 acres, so just gargantuan. 65:23 And you drive from the city of Bowling Green out in the country, and you see family farms 65:30 everywhere. All of a sudden, you see these cranes and these trucks. And it's just, 65:34 if you're a farmer and you've had your farm 65:37 for three or four generations, 65:38 or you just bought land out there to live or to farm, 65:42 it's just stunning how they have taken over 65:45 without any input at all from local farmers, 65:48 local small businesses, local people wanting to live there. 65:52 You're someone who's been a huge supporter 65:54 of organized labor throughout your career. 65:56 Have you gotten pushback from labor unions 65:58 on your data center position 65:59 or are you guys sort of come to a consensus? 66:01 I haven't for two reasons. 66:02 It's one, they can count on me to make sure 66:05 whatever jobs there are, their union, 66:07 good paying, good benefit jobs. 66:08 The other thing is clearly these workers, 66:13 they don't want their electricity prices going up. 66:16 They want some local control over where these 66:19 data centers are in their area 66:21 and they don't think that Ohio taxpayers 66:23 should be feeding these very greedy billionaires 66:28 that run these companies. 66:29 So, they are no different from somebody else 66:32 that's not working on data centers, union or non-union. 66:36 And so, they have received very well 66:38 what I've been saying and doing on data centers. 66:41 Donald Trump is a huge part of this campaign. 66:44 He's been in Ohio campaigning. 66:47 John Hustad, I believe, was at the midterm convention. 66:49 He's appeared with Trump on the campaign trail. 66:51 He's tried to kind of sort of not really 66:53 find some areas of distance. 66:54 He's kind of talked a little bit about 66:55 maybe possibly doing something about the Iran War ending. 66:58 So if you talk a little about the role that Trump is playing in this election, you know, 67:01 you are running a state that Trump won three times by double digits. 67:05 How's it different this time than when you were running in 24? 67:07 It's different because what's happening, the voters did not vote for this war. 67:12 Trump voters are not. 67:14 The voters did not vote for 100 fertilizer prices, almost doubling diesel prices doing 67:20 dramatically up gas prices, food prices. 67:23 Voters didn't vote for any. 67:27 increases on their premiums, 67:30 which caused 160,000 Ohioans 67:32 dropped their insurance in January and February, 67:35 and hundreds of thousands more are very fearful 67:38 of what's gonna happen in January. 67:40 This January, Republicans, 67:43 they voted on the Medicaid cuts 67:44 and the big, beautiful bill. 67:45 They put it off till January. 67:47 Voters understand that 67:48 and what's already happening in rural hospitals. 67:51 So, Eusted has no answer on any of that. 67:55 He said, his only answer was he said, 67:57 and we've got to end this war. 67:58 Two weeks later, he voted to continue it. 68:02 He said, we've got to protect Medicaid. 68:03 He told a woman with a disabled daughter, 68:06 he told her, looked her in the eye 68:08 and said, I will never cut Medicaid. 68:11 Two weeks later, he voted for these huge Medicaid cuts. 68:14 So then he distanced between me. 68:16 He's been a guy that's done nothing against this war, 68:19 done nothing to reign in prices 68:21 in the grocery store, 68:22 done nothing to protect world healthcare, 68:25 none of those things. 68:26 And voters know it. 68:27 We're making sure they know it. 68:29 He can run all the ads about nasty stuff and distractions. 68:33 And, but he's got to answer in these issues 68:36 to everyday Ohioans of all political stripes 68:39 on how he's done nothing to make their lives better. 68:43 Nothing. 68:43 One of the interesting dynamics I've seen in your race 68:46 is that this is a very anti-incumbent change election. 68:50 Yet I've seen polling that sees that a non-insignificant 68:54 against swath of Ohio and still think you're their senator. 68:56 Have you run into people on the trail 68:58 who think you're the senator, 68:59 who are maybe mad about, 69:01 who think you're getting reelected 69:02 or mad at you about what Congress has done or not done 69:05 that you had no part of over the last couple of years? 69:08 I've heard reporters have asked me that question. 69:11 I've heard some voters say things like, 69:12 you know, I think there's gonna be buyers remorse 69:15 in Ohio, but more importantly, 69:16 they thank me for the Social Security Fairness Act 69:18 or the PACT Act named after an Ohio 69:21 and to protect veterans coming back 69:23 at the exposure of those gargantuan burn pits 69:26 in Iraq and Afghanistan, 69:29 they know what we did to save pensions. 69:31 But voters, it's clear in this campaign 69:35 who's responsible for the war, 69:37 who's responsible for cuts in healthcare, 69:40 who's responsible for these prices, 69:42 whether it's fertilizer, whether it's gas prices, 69:44 whether it's fertilizer prices 69:46 or whether it's some grocery store prices. 69:48 So they know who's responsible. 69:51 I guess anyone who has access to a television is pretty clear about what's going on here. 69:57 Or online stuff. Our presence online has been really, really effective. And we raise a lot of money online and we communicate with people really well online. 70:09 I've been told by the Democratic Committee that our online work, our digital work, is the best in the country. 70:15 And whether it's the best or not, it's outstanding. We have superstars running it. 70:19 That's great. President Obama's coming to campaign for you, I believe, in the next couple of days. 70:23 Yeah, you know him. I hear him. 70:24 I do. I do. A lot of people running have, in red states, have sort of eschewed 70:32 national Democrats coming to his campaign forum. Obama did win Ohio twice. 70:37 What does he sort of bring to the table? What do you hope to get from that event with him 70:40 over the next couple of days here? 70:42 He brings an excitement to the table, and I think he's coming because he sees 70:46 You know, he sees what I hear and see in Ohio, 70:48 that people's lives have gotten worse. 70:52 And Barack Obama cares, he loves this country, 70:55 he cares a lot about this country. 70:56 And he sees people's lives getting worse. 70:58 You know, whether it's a farmer that lost his soybean, 71:03 lost his soybean markets. 71:05 Dramatically, he talks to farmers, 71:07 or to small business owners. 71:09 I mean, he hears them as I do, 71:11 who have seen the tariffs undermine, 71:15 They make it so much harder to run a restaurant. 71:18 We have particularly small retailers, 71:21 they aren't people that were regular customers 71:23 and now come once a week instead of twice 71:25 or don't come at all. 71:27 President Obama knows all that and he's got a good antenna. 71:31 We talk once in a while, he knows that I need the help 71:35 and I guess you compare President Obama coming in 71:38 to John Husted sending a message out 71:42 to the tech crowd saying I need tens of millions of dollars 71:45 and I'll make that contrast any day. 71:48 Yeah, and I will say also, 71:50 because I know him, he likes Ohio 71:52 and he also likes you a lot too, 71:53 so he's happy to do anything he possibly can to help you. 71:56 All right, last question. 71:57 I saw him a lot in 12 and 8. 71:58 Yes, yes, we were in Ohio a lot from in 2012, a lot. 72:06 We were in Ohio a lot between 8 and 16. 72:09 Yes, yes, yes. 72:10 Most importantly to him. 72:11 Yeah, so you're there all the time. 72:12 He loves Ohio. 72:13 Okay, last question for you, 72:15 I'm gonna make this very easy for you. 72:16 You already did it once, 72:17 but I just can't emphasize enough to our listeners 72:21 what just the amount of money Republicans 72:23 are pouring in to defeat you. 72:25 It's just like nothing we've ever seen in American politics. 72:28 How, if anyone here wants to help out, 72:30 if they have $5, $10, we have been more to help you, 72:31 where can they go do that? 72:33 Contribute 10, 15, 20 bucks, SherrodBrown.com 72:35 or volunteer to send postcards 72:39 or come to the state to do weekend canvassing, 72:42 whatever, but sharedbrown.com, we need the help. 72:44 It's gonna be, it's 280 million now. 72:47 It'll be another, who knows how many, 72:49 most important, probably the most expensive 72:51 Senate race in history and we can't have, 72:54 we won't have as much, but we just want enough to compete 72:56 and we're on track to do that 72:58 and being with you on this show really matters. 73:01 So I appreciate that. 73:02 Shared Brown, thank you so much. 73:03 Good luck over the next two weeks here 73:05 and we'll be rooting for you on election night. 73:06 Thanks so much. 73:08 That's our show for today. 73:09 Thanks to Sherrod for coming on. 73:10 Dan, you'll be back in the feed on Sunday 73:11 with a conversation with Amy Walter 73:14 of the Cook Political Report, 73:15 one of the smartest analysts in the game. 73:17 What are you guys gonna talk about it says here? 73:19 I'm guessing the election. 73:20 Yeah, I don't, I meant to take that out of the outline 73:22 because like what, the baseball playoffs? 73:26 Yes, come on people, let's adjust the script. 73:30 JD Vance's sexual orientation. 73:32 We're not gonna talk about that. 73:34 I don't wanna promise you that. 73:34 Okay, that's good. 73:35 Well, everyone should listen 73:36 because Amy's super smart and then we will be back in your feet on Tuesday with another 73:40 Podsave America. 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