539 Rick Saez Talks Adventure Travel w/Casey Hanisco (replay of 499)

Welcome to episode 539 of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast. Today, on this replay episode, I'm talking with Casey Hanisko. Casey is a distinguished leader in adventure travel. She's the former President of the Adventure Travel Trade Association and an executive coach helping tourism leaders navigate change. Recognized among the "50 Most Important Women in Travel," she shares her expertise through media, speaking engagements, and her "Leading Naturally" newsletter.

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The Leap That Terrified Me More Than Any Business Decision (And What It Taught Me About Leadership)

1. Ever stood at the edge of something terrifying—knowing the only way forward is to leap, but every cell in your body is screaming, Nope? That was me on a canyon swing in Interlaken. Spoiler: I needed a push.
2. You think making high-stakes decisions in business is tough? Try standing on the edge of a 300-foot drop, debating whether plummeting into the abyss is a good idea.
3. There's a moment in adventure—and in leadership—where hesitation creeps in. Your palms sweat. Your mind races. And sometimes, you need someone to give you that push.

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What Happened:

I'd like to think I'm pretty fearless. I've hiked, biked, and paddled my way through some of the world's most stunning (and challenging) landscapes. But nothing—not rock climbing, not waterfall jumping, not even running a business—prepared me for the sheer terror of standing on the edge of a canyon swing in Interlaken.

Picture this: I'm perched on the platform, strapped in, heart pounding. My entire executive team—yes, the people I work with—are watching. The guy running the swing looks at me and asks, "Need a push?"

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

I sit there for two full minutes, locked in a battle with my own fear. Every rational thought in my brain says, Just do it. But my body? Oh, my body says, Are you out of your mind?!

Then, the guy places a hand on my back. Just enough pressure to remind me: I either take the leap myself, or I'm going anyway.

And that was it. I went. Terrified. Screaming. And, once I hit the swing… laughing.

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Principle:

That moment on the canyon swing? It's leadership in a nutshell.

• Leadership requires courage. Sometimes, you're at the edge of a big decision, knowing you need to move—but fear holds you back.
• Sometimes, you need support. That guiding hand (or well-placed nudge) from someone who sees your potential, even when you doubt yourself.
• And often, the thing you dread most? Turns out to be the most exhilarating experience of your life.

Whether it's taking the leap into a leadership role, starting that business, or stepping into unknown territory—you're going to feel fear. That's normal. The key is to recognize it, hold it, and move forward anyway.

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Transition:

The problem is, most people let fear stop them. They overthink. They hesitate. They tell themselves they need more time, more preparation, more certainty.

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