We'd love to hear from you so send us a message! Things change when our thinking changes. So why do so many organisations still rely on outdated mental models to tackle today’s complex challenges? In this episode, From developing foundational theories like DSRP and VMCL, to shaping national education programmes and training leaders across sectors, we’re joined by two of the most influential figures in the systems thinking world This conversation explores what it really means to think systemically—and why it matters now more than ever. Visit the Cabrera Lab website here: https://www.cabreraresearch.org/ Buy Derek and Laura's books here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/Derek... Subscribe to the Cabrera Lab Podcast here: / @cabreralabpodcast Wish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we. That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work. You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested action Sign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/ About Us We’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change. Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In: linkedin.com/in/danibacon478 https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch
