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Ben Affleck is not on the episode. 3:31 No, that's, I should say that right away. 3:33 We should definitely, hey, but Ben Affleck. 3:36 Come on the show. 3:37 Boston Boy. 3:38 Why, why haven't we thought of that? 3:40 What would we do with Ben Affleck? 3:41 No idea, but there's some, 3:43 I'm sure there's things we could do. 3:45 Hey, that'd be fun. 3:46 You guys want Ben Affleck on the show? 3:47 Let's get Ben Affleck. 3:48 Well, ever since we had Matthew Lillard on the show, 3:50 we're like, this guy is the Lillard. 3:51 Like, let's get everyone cool on the show. 3:53 It was really fun. 3:54 But I do think just a true few that love us 3:59 and are like defensive over us might think 4:01 that like he was ribbing us too hard. 4:03 Like being too teasing. 4:05 But we loved it. 4:06 Yeah, that's our love language. 4:08 And I think, and it was only a few people, 4:09 but they were being super kind about it. 4:11 And we're just like thinking like, 4:12 oh, I don't want somebody hurting your feelings. 4:15 I promise you, it was all in good fun. 4:17 And I think we all just recognized each other's energy 4:20 and made fun of each other. 4:22 A New England way of communicating. 4:23 He does. 4:24 And I think one of the best ways to see that 4:27 is watch the visual. 4:29 If you watch the video, you can see 4:31 that we're all just lulling. 4:32 Like I promise you you can see 4:34 that it was all in good fun. 4:36 So, but thank you so much for caring. 4:37 I know. 4:38 About us, the people who are like, 4:39 are you, was that, did that hurt your feelings? 4:42 He was mean to you. 4:43 I was like, no, no, no. 4:43 Cause I promise you, there wasn't a mean bone 4:45 in his body. 4:46 No, not at all. 4:47 We adored him. 4:48 And here's the thing, again, 4:50 New Englanders, being mean is a lovely thing. 4:52 Yeah, it really is. 4:53 If you're not mean to me, I don't think you like me. 4:56 Yeah, as soon as he started going hard at me, 4:59 I was like, oh, we're best friends now. 5:01 Like I was like, this is, 5:02 we've cemented our relationship. 5:03 We all became best friends instantly. 5:05 So I felt gorgeous in that moment. 5:08 We were dancing through life. 5:10 It's true. 5:11 Dancing through life. 5:13 I was a theater kid right there. 5:14 Yeah, now we're trying to get more cool people on 5:16 because you guys liked that one. 5:18 Yeah, so Ben Affleck, what the fuck is up? 5:19 What the fuck is up? 5:21 Let's get them all. 5:21 Let's do this. 5:22 That would be so perfectly random. 5:24 It would be very random. 5:26 I would love it. 5:27 Is he looking to make it happen? 5:28 Is he a New Yorker? 5:29 No, he lives in LA. 5:31 Oh, he does? 5:31 It makes sense. 5:32 All right. 5:33 Well, because we went to the serious studios in New York, 5:35 so we're like, who can we get from New York? 5:37 I feel like we can get a lot of people to come to New York. 5:39 Yeah, people love New York. 5:40 It's an apple. 5:41 It is. 5:42 It's an apple. 5:43 An apple a day, you know? 5:45 Makes you get to New York. 5:47 Yep. 5:48 That's the saying. 5:49 It's super catchy. 5:50 I don't know, I have a lot of sugar in my system right now. 5:54 From Duncan. 5:55 What? 5:56 From Duncan. 5:56 From Duncan, not sponsored, but kind of sponsored. 5:58 I have a haunting for you today because it is October. 6:03 And also, we're going to, on Friday, our bonus episode is True Crime, just so you're getting 6:09 true crime. 6:09 You get it all. 6:10 We're giving, we'll give you it all. 6:12 When you come to Morbid, you get it all and then some. 6:15 Hell yeah. 6:15 We're all that and a bag of chips. 6:17 That's right, because I do love chips. 6:18 I love that expression I like that. Yeah, it's like it's like my favorite fat kid expression as a fat kid 6:25 Anyways, here's a hunting for you. There's a hot. It's Alma Fielding and the Thornton Heath haunting 6:31 Let's go Alma. I'm taking it way back. Take it back to 1930. I oh damn 6:37 I did that with 1838 and now I'm doing it with 1930. So in February 1938 34 year old Alma 6:45 Fielding went to the press with an amazing story 6:48 London home was motherfucking haunted. Hell yeah. According to Alma, objects would fly off the shelves 6:54 without anybody actually throwing them. And the family was under constant assault from unseen forces. 7:02 And on multiple occasions, they found a six-fingered handprint on a mirror. 7:09 A six-figured, a six-fingered? Yeah, I think I might have said figured. 7:13 I think I did, but that is horrifying. 7:18 Six fingers. 7:19 Six fingers. 7:20 Typical five. 7:21 And the reason that's horrifying, 7:22 I'm not saying if you have six fingers, you're horrifying. 7:24 I'm saying if nobody in your house has six fingers 7:27 and then you find a handprint with six fingers, 7:30 that's horrifying. 7:30 And that's the case. 7:31 Yeah, yeah. 7:32 So that's, that's scary. 7:34 But Alma knew that if she went to the police for help, 7:36 they obviously weren't gonna believe a word of her story 7:39 and they'd probably toss her 7:40 in some kind of establishment, you know? 7:45 So a week earlier on February 13th, 1938, 7:48 she'd been visiting a friend in Thornton Heath, 7:50 the neighborhood where she lived. 7:52 And she was struck by a sharp pain in her pelvis. 7:55 Now she had suffered from kidney pain when she was younger. 7:58 So she thought, you know, maybe this was related. 8:00 And she was like, you know what, I'm gonna, 8:01 this was lovely having tea with you, 8:03 but my pelvis hurts, I'm gonna leave. 8:04 Now, so she went back home. 8:06 And once she was there, she took some meds. 8:08 She went to bed to lie down, 8:09 I'm just hoping it would pass. 8:10 Now she ended up staying in bed for the entire week, 8:12 just like not really feeling much better. 8:14 Damn. 8:15 And about halfway through, 8:16 she was joined by her husband, Leslie, 8:18 who actually was having problems of his own. 8:21 He had recently had a lot of his teeth pulled 8:23 to make room for dentures. 8:26 And his gums had started bleeding so badly 8:28 that like he literally couldn't go out in public. 8:31 Oh my God. 8:32 And he was losing a lot of blood, 8:33 so he was exhausted. 8:34 And obviously that's also just very painful. 8:36 Or nor. 8:37 So he said I will lie in bed and rot with you doll. Hell, yeah 8:41 Now it was while the two were lying in bed that Alma first noticed that six-fingered handprint on the mirror above the fireplace in their bedroom 8:48 At first she didn't really think much of it because obviously it's pretty easy to smudge glass by accident 8:53 But the longer she stared at the glass the more something about the handprint looked wrong 8:58 And that's when it hit her that it had six fingers like ah, so she noticed like a handprint which is already a little spooky 9:06 Yeah, I mean if you have kids you have hand prints anyway. Yeah, if you have kids you have hand prints. 9:10 Hers were, she only had one who was older, but the six finger really fucked with her. 9:14 So by the time she spotted the handprint on the mirror though, she had been in bed for several days 9:19 and she had also been in and out of a fever actually. 9:22 So she kind of just chalked up the six finger to her being so sick and just tried to push it out of her mind. 9:27 She was like maybe I didn't see what I saw or maybe I'm hallucinating. Yeah, which is valid. 9:31 But later that night as she and Les lie sleeping in bed they were woken by the sound of a large crash in the room 9:37 And when Alma turned on the bedside light she and Les just saw shards of broken glass on the floor 9:43 Oh, and it looked like the remnants of a tumbler tumbler 9:46 Excuse me that just seemed to have like gotten knocked over somehow 9:50 So she turned the light off after they cleaned it up and went back to sleep 9:53 But as she turned off the light and like went to go lay back down again 9:57 another tumbler flew off the nightstand 10:00 and nobody had thrown it 10:02 and it smashed against the wall. 10:05 Like right in front of them. 10:07 I want to see something like this happen. 10:09 I want to see something like this so badly. 10:12 Like not in my house. 10:12 Like I don't want it in my house. 10:14 I was just gonna say that, not in my house. 10:15 Wait, did I tell you what happened in my house? 10:17 Did I say this on the pod yet? 10:19 I don't know if you did. 10:20 I don't think I did. 10:20 I already told Belina. 10:22 Really quick side haunting. 10:23 I was setting up side haunting. 10:25 I was setting up my Halloween decorations, which like perfect. Yeah, but I was I was standing somewhere and then in the dining room 10:33 I saw like a head poke out and I was home alone so that was that fucked me up 10:38 I was immediately like intruder and I went to look in the dining room and there was nobody there and 10:44 Then I told Drew this story and he goes oh and this was like a while back 10:49 He was like when we were first moving in I had like a weird experience that I didn't tell you about and I was like 10:54 like, what the fuck? I was like, do you know how you're married? 10:57 And he told me that he went in to like check on like work that was being done. 11:01 And like we again hadn't moved in yet. And he heard somebody yell hello from upstairs. 11:08 That happened in mom and papa's house, too. 11:10 That happens on mom and papa's house very frequently. Maybe they traveled with us. 11:13 Maybe. 11:14 But he went upstairs because he thought like, oh, maybe like a worker is here. 11:18 No one was at the house. Isn't that so weird? 11:20 I know that's spooky. 11:21 And we'll be sitting very similarly it like sounds like I'm copy-pasting but very similar to you and John 11:27 We'll be sitting in the living room and then that like back area. I'll swear I see something out of the corner 11:33 Yeah, that happens to us almost every night. Yeah, it's so we always think it's a child's walking into the kitchen 11:37 And it never is I don't have any children in my house 11:40 It's just me and Drew so when we're both sitting on the couch 11:43 Yeah, and like all our animals are always with us. Yeah 11:46 Like all the cats will sit with us or that's the thing the dogs are always with us when it happens 11:50 and so we're like, oh, it's a child. 11:52 Yeah. 11:52 And I'll be like, hey, and they'll like go in there. 11:54 No, nobody's in there. 11:55 See, we have no one else that it could be 11:58 aside from a ghost, which is super fun. 12:01 Yeah, I kind of love it. 12:02 I love our ghost. 12:03 If I have a ghost, I think I do 12:05 and I think they like us. 12:06 Well, that's, I think Nicholas is in our house. 12:09 Oh, yeah. 12:10 Like he resides here. 12:11 I think so. 12:11 So I assume that's Nicholas. 12:13 I don't know who I have. 12:14 But I want to know about yours. 12:15 I know. 12:16 Because my house doesn't even like super old. 12:18 We should bring the thing 12:19 and ask a name, so it will tell us. 12:23 Yeah. 12:23 Imagine if it says Nicholas and he's like, I'm here too. 12:25 What if he's twins? 12:26 Maybe. 12:27 Both Nicholas. 12:29 Nikolai. 12:30 Nicholas and Nicholas. 12:31 Nicholas squared. 12:33 I don't know. 12:33 I had to tell you guys about my side haunting though. 12:35 I was really fucking excited about it. 12:36 I love your side haunting. 12:38 Thank you. 12:38 Also another little side thing. 12:40 That's so many people suggested that the next time 12:42 we have Matthew Lillard on 12:43 because we're definitely having him back. 12:44 Yeah, duh. 12:45 Is to have Nicholas in the background of the episode? 12:48 Yes. 12:48 And I think that's the most genius thing I've ever heard he'll either love that or he'll tell us the entire time that it's not real 12:54 Yeah, yeah, we'll see it will see I guess I think both would be fun 12:57 I think it was a great idea. We need we need to put him in a place of haunted. Yeah for sure 13:01 We didn't really get to ask him if he believes in ghosts. I 13:05 Know we didn't didn't we it was one of our questions 13:08 It was we just didn't get to ask all right. Well, we'll put it on the docket for next time. Yeah, Matthew talk soon 13:14 So anyway back to Alma's haunting in 1930. I 13:19 So fucking glasses are just, you know, fucking glasses are just throwing everywhere but the flying everywhere and 13:26 her and her husband wake up they see this and as the second glass smashes against the wall 13:31 They sat up in bed, obviously and it seemed like a cold breeze crossed over the bed 13:38 No, so Alma went to turn the bed side light back on because I don't even think she had a chance to turn it back on yet 13:43 And when she hit the switch nothing happened 13:46 So panic, she just started screaming for help. 13:49 Yeah. 13:50 Now hearing his mother's cries for help, their 16-year-old son Donald jumped out of bed and 13:54 ran down the hall to his parents' room. 13:56 Those are good kids. 13:57 Yeah, honestly. 13:58 Taking care of their parents. 13:59 Good kid. 14:00 Now he crossed the threshold into the room and he quickly ducked so that he wouldn't 14:04 be hit by the flying jar of his mother's cold cream. 14:08 What the fuck? 14:09 Now he was woken, another person in the house, the family's lodger was woken 14:14 by all the noise. 14:15 George Saunders, he ran into the room 14:17 and he wasn't as lucky as Donald to duck in time. 14:21 He got struck in the head by two coins 14:23 that had flown off the dresser. 14:25 Oh, that would hurt. 14:26 Yeah. 14:27 Yeah. 14:27 The lights would not come on. 14:29 The room was basically pitch black 14:31 so they couldn't see who or what was throwing 14:33 these things, but whatever it was, it had a strong arm. 14:37 Apparently it was like a baseball pitcher. 14:39 Legit. 14:40 So while George Alma and Les just sat stunned 14:43 in the room, Don ran to the kitchen and grabbed a pack of matches and when he returned to the room, 14:48 he lit a match and found his way to the lamp by the bed. But when he went to check the bulb, 14:53 he found that there was nothing there. Now remember, she had turned on the light and then 14:58 turned it off earlier. So with the match still lit, Don searched around the room for the light 15:02 bulb and he just found it sitting on a nearby chair, completely unscathed and also still 15:08 like it had just been in use that's scary weird the family in George waited like 15:15 another half hour all just trying to explain what had happened when finally it 15:20 seemed like the activity was over for the night so everybody kind of just went 15:22 back to bed which personally I'd be like hello holiday in I'd like to book a 15:27 room that's the thing whatever people are like so I just went back to sleep I 15:30 mean at the same time it's like what do you do what do you do I'm coming 15:34 in your house, that's why I'm here. 15:35 If that shit goes down in my house, 15:37 like if my cute haunting escalates. 15:39 You can come to our house. 15:40 I'll be skirting on over. 15:42 I know your code, I won't even bother you. 15:44 Yeah, you can just come in. 15:44 So the next morning, 15:45 Alma was feeling well enough to get out of bed finally. 15:48 Maybe the adrenaline helped her sickness. 15:50 And she decided to go down to the kitchen 15:52 to make some breakfast. 15:53 After setting out an egg on the counter, 15:55 she turned to get a saucer from the cupboard. 15:57 And as she did, the egg flew across the room 16:00 and smashed against the wall. 16:01 What the fuck? 16:02 And now still holding the saucer, 16:04 where she whirled around to see what had happened 16:06 and the saucer in her hand snapped into two pieces. 16:11 But she's literally just holding it. 16:13 That's also sort of dangerous. 16:14 Yeah, I mean, she got cut. 16:16 Yeah. 16:16 Not one to panic super easily though. 16:18 She set the broken saucer down 16:19 and she started thinking about what the fuck to do. 16:22 Again, she could call the police 16:23 but the whole thing seemed so unbelievable 16:25 that she was like, they're just gonna think I'm pranking. 16:28 Yeah, like what do I say to the police? 16:30 Well, oh, 911, I have a haunt emergency. 16:32 You can see. 16:33 Now, even if they did believe her, 16:35 what were they gonna do about a ghost? 16:37 They can't arrest them. 16:38 Yeah. 16:38 Now, then she remembered the newspaper. 16:40 Earlier that week, a notice had appeared 16:42 in the Sunday Pictorial, 16:44 the Sunday edition of the Daily Mirror, 16:47 asking readers to submit experiences to be included 16:50 in this ongoing series 16:51 that they were running on the supernatural. 16:53 Alma didn't hesitate. 16:55 She grabbed a note card and she simply wrote, 16:57 "'Come to my house. 16:58 There are things going on here I cannot explain.'" 17:01 That's to the point. 17:02 She was one of more than a thousand readers who replied to this request from the newspaper. 17:07 But a few days later on February 19th, Victor Thompson and Lionel Crane from the Sunday pictorial 17:13 knocked on the Fielding's front door to the Golden Ticket. 17:17 They had been sent on several other assignments for the series, 17:20 so they knew to set their expectations low. 17:22 Yeah. 17:22 Because not everybody's telling the truth about they haunted us. 17:25 No, of course not. 17:26 But as soon as they were inside the house, 17:27 they knew they were on to something 17:29 entirely different this time. 17:31 Literally as soon as Alma opened the door 17:34 to invite them inside, 17:35 an egg came flying down the hallway 17:38 and out the door and landed on the lawn. 17:42 Yeah, they got egged immediately. 17:44 An egg just, a flying egg is hilarious. 17:48 You saying an egg went flying down the hallway 17:50 and out the front door. 17:53 It's weird personification. 17:55 I don't know why that's so funny. 17:56 I just picture this egg just slowly flying down the hallway. 18:00 Oh, see, I don't. 18:01 I picture it just like whizzing through the hallway 18:03 and out the front door. 18:04 I picture it like flying, like flap, flap. 18:07 Like just flying down the hallway. 18:08 It's just like self-sacrificing. 18:10 And then just like out the door I go. 18:11 They just crack. 18:12 Bye. 18:12 I don't want to be eaten. 18:14 But so they were like, OK, we'll come in, 18:16 because that was wily. 18:18 They walked down the hall to the kitchen. 18:19 A pink china dog sitting on a shelf just started to rattle. 18:23 Whoa. 18:23 Then a can opener flew by them and almost hit both of them in the head. 18:29 Fuck. 18:30 This is a culture, guys. 18:31 Yes, absolutely. 18:33 So sitting in the living room, Alma told Thompson and Crane about how she and Les had seen the 18:37 handprint appear on the mirror a few nights earlier. 18:40 A diamond. 18:40 She was mid-sentence when her story was interrupted by the sound of a loud crash from the 18:46 direction of the stairs. 18:47 And when they ran upstairs to see what happened, the newspaper men were shocked 18:50 to see that a quote heavy bronze fireplace fender from an upstairs bedroom had been hurled down the stairs whoa 18:57 So they ran upstairs to see who had thrown the heavy fender, but as far as they could tell there was nobody there 19:04 So how did that happen? Yeah, almost just sitting right with them 19:07 Yeah, so they spent the rest of the day and well into that same evening at the fielding home 19:11 Just documenting all the strange happenings 19:14 According to the reporters during their time in the house 19:17 they witnessed quote a saucer held in mrs. Fielding's hands smashed into fragments cutting her badly a 19:23 Saucepan floating in the air a wine glass apparently coming right through the door of a heavy oak sideboard 19:30 What yeah, no, it's like this is the 30s in 1938 like it's not like 19:36 This would be this is a high tech chief. Yeah 19:39 So when they asked her for comment Alma said I feel some terrible climaxes approaching 19:44 We shall stay up all night to see it through. 19:47 I hope it comes soon. 19:48 Our nerves cannot stand such more." 19:50 She's like, can we please get to the crescendo, please? 19:53 I would also somewhat want to get there. 19:56 But I'd also be terrified for what the fuck the crescendo is. 19:59 That's the thing. 19:59 This is already bad. 20:00 And it came out of nowhere. 20:01 So it's like, what do you want? 20:02 Yeah. 20:03 You know? 20:04 But obviously it feels like whatever this is wants her attention or somebody's attention. 20:09 Yeah. 20:10 Yeah. 20:10 So the fielding story of a supernatural intruder in their home made the papers. 20:15 It actually surprisingly wasn't met with a ton of mockery, but instead with just more 20:20 curiosity. 20:20 I mean, it is. 20:21 It's almost too insane to mock, you know what I mean? 20:24 Yeah. 20:24 Because you're like, that's crazy. 20:26 It's just for the times it was shocked that people were like, yeah, that's weird. 20:31 A few days after the article appeared in the Sunday pictorial, Alma and Les were contacted 20:36 by a reporter from the Norwood Nudes. 20:39 Nudes, I just said. 20:40 The Norwood Nudes. 20:41 It was actually news, it was very reputable. 20:43 It was the local paper in Croydon where they lived. 20:46 In a brief interview with the paper, 20:48 Alma kind of elaborated on the story 20:49 that had originally appeared in the pictorial. 20:52 And she told the reporter, 20:53 during the seven years they have been living in the house, 20:55 there have been frequently been strange happenings, 20:59 which no one took very seriously. 21:01 Which is funny, that like they didn't really take it 21:03 that serious and now it's escalated. 21:05 But all of a sudden it's like, huh. 21:06 Yeah. 21:06 According to Alma, she started to recognize a, quote, terribly cold feeling about the house 21:11 right before one of the supernatural incidents occurred. 21:15 And they even invited a, quote, psychic palmist to the house to find out how they could stop 21:19 the activity, but the best he could offer was assurance that spiritual influences were 21:25 at work. 21:26 He's like, yeah. 21:27 Yeah, we know. 21:28 That's why we called you. 21:29 You got ghosts. 21:30 Literally. 21:30 He was like, bye. 21:32 Bye. 21:32 Got milk. 21:33 Got ghosts. 21:33 So within a few weeks, the buildings had actually become so accustomed to the whatever this unseen thing in their house was that they just started referring to it as Jimmy. 21:42 That's so valid. That's so real of them. 21:45 That's just Jimmy. 21:46 I'm obsessed with that. 21:47 I mean, we got one. We got a Nicholas. 21:48 That's our host ghost Jimmy. 21:50 I didn't get it. 21:50 I know. 21:51 And his frequent appearances and tantrums kind of just lost their ability to shock them as much as they were in the past. 21:58 I think it was still like surprising, but they were like, well, there's Jimmy again. 22:02 Here's Jimmy. 22:02 Alma, Les, Dawn, and George have become so vigilant that a saucer flying across the room 22:07 or a glass falling from a counter was just expected at that point. 22:10 They could just catch it midair and be like, whatever. 22:12 Got them. 22:12 Got it. 22:13 Now, they might have grown accustomed to the unseen presence in their home, even 22:16 to the point of some kind of like boredom, I guess, but the rest of London was still 22:21 interested to see the phenomenon, especially paranormal researcher Nandor Fodor of the 22:27 International Institute for Psychic... 22:32 Psychical? Psychical research? 22:34 Psychical? 22:35 Psychical? 22:36 No, L. Psychical. 22:38 Psychical, yeah, that makes sense. 22:39 Psychical research. 22:40 That was thinking of a different word entirely. 22:42 Were you thinking of cyclical? 22:43 Cyclical, yeah. 22:44 I think my mouth wanted to say cyclical. 22:45 It makes sense. 22:46 Anyway, he works there. 22:48 Anyway, he works there. 22:49 So he had grown up really fascinated by stories 22:52 of the supernatural. 22:53 Much like ourselves. 22:55 Unlike us, he studied law at the Royal Hungarian University and graduated with a doctorate, 23:02 but he never forgot his first love, the paranormal. 23:05 In 1929, he moved to the US to work as a journalist and then traveled to England the 23:10 following year where he became the American correspondent for the American Society of 23:17 Psychical Research. 23:18 Hell yeah. 23:19 For several years, he researched and wrote about the supernatural, and he truly believed 23:24 that humans contained far greater abilities 23:26 than anyone realized and that they needed to be unlocked. 23:30 Let's go. 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Don't worry be warranty get 20% off any plan at 26:55 ahs.com slash morbid and see promo details see 26:58 ahs.com slash contracts for coverage details including service fees limitations and exclusions in 27:09 late 27:09 1937 and into early 1938 27:12 Articles in the psychic press had accused him of quote being cynical about the supernatural and 27:17 Unkind to mediums and suggested that he wasn't a real believer damn 27:22 So desperate to prove that he was still faithful to the cause, 27:25 he was looking for a case that would, one, not only provide 27:28 evidence of the supernatural, like cold heart evidence, 27:31 but would also demonstrate his commitment. 27:33 And when his friend showed him that article in the Sunday 27:36 pictorial in late February, he felt certain that he had found 27:39 just what he was looking for. 27:41 Once he learned about the fieldings in there, 27:44 I guess we'll call it a poltergeist, 27:46 Fodor knew that he needed to act quickly. 27:48 He was definitely not the only researcher or ghost hunter 27:50 in London who was interested in this case because poltergeist cases at least I mean yeah 27:56 they're they're pretty rare yeah and at least back then they were much more rare oh yeah for sure 28:00 so he quickly wrote to Hugh Cudlip the editor of the sunday pictorial and asked if they would be 28:05 willing to bring him on the case and he promised to allow the pictorial to publish his findings 28:10 a few days later Cudlip replied to Fodor's letter providing the address of the house 28:14 and urging him to get their ASAP. 28:18 ASAP, if you will. 28:20 Look at you. 28:21 As soon as possible. 28:22 Oh my God. 28:24 I know. 28:24 Definitions McGee over here. 28:26 I know, that's why I'm here. 28:27 You're genius. 28:28 The brains. 28:29 Would you go to college or something? 28:31 Fuck. 28:32 His opponent was shocked when he got the letter 28:34 being like, hell yeah. 28:35 But there was a problem. 28:37 He had several appointments that day. 28:39 Oh shit. 28:39 And he could not get to the house ASAP. 28:42 He's booked and busy. 28:42 He's that rocky as through as possible. 28:45 He's booked him busy. 28:46 He is. 28:46 That's how you know he's good. 28:48 Yeah. 28:48 Yeah, he's got shit to do. 28:49 He couldn't get there until the next morning, but he's a smart guy. 28:53 Of course he is. 28:53 Went to law school. 28:54 Yeah, he's booked him busy. 28:55 Rather than miss the opportunity, he sent his assistant, Lauren's Evans to the house, 29:00 and he figured, you know what, Evans could hold it down until he got there. 29:04 We trust Evans. 29:05 And he was like, also, this kind of works out because you can tell me if this 29:08 is worth my time. 29:09 And if it's not... 29:10 It sounds like it is, but like, go find out. 29:12 but I'm a busy guy. 29:14 So the next morning, Evans reported back to Fodor 29:16 that in the handful of hours he had spent 29:19 at the fielding house, he had witnessed 29:21 a shit ton of unbelievable things. 29:24 Hell yeah. 29:25 Including seeing a wine glass jump from Alma Fielding's hand, 29:28 shattering in midair and falling to the wooden floor. 29:32 Wow. 29:32 Just whoop. 29:34 Imagine you go there as the assistant 29:37 and he's like, I don't know, 29:37 just tell me if this is worth my time 29:39 and this is the shit you see. 29:41 Yeah. 29:41 Yeah, Jackpot. 29:42 I'd be like, honey, you better get over here real soon. 29:45 I'd be like, thank you for sending me. 29:46 It reminds me, I don't know why, 29:47 it just reminds me of the, 29:50 what's her name in Casper, Carrington? 29:52 Oh, yes. 29:53 Carrigan? 29:53 Carrigan, I think. 29:54 Carrigan? 29:55 Isn't it Carrigan? 29:56 I think it is Carrigan. 29:57 Yeah. 29:57 And what's her like right-hand man's name? 29:59 I don't know why I'm thinking of them, 30:00 but I just am. 30:01 I'll find these for you. 30:03 I think that's such a cool name, 30:04 if that is her name. 30:04 Carrigan? 30:05 Carrigan. 30:06 It is, right? 30:07 Is it? 30:07 I'm looking. 30:08 Are you looking for me? 30:08 We're just sitting here questioning 30:09 Well, I'm looking care again. Yeah care again. I thought her character 30:14 Like I know she was like a biatch, but I thought she was the most gorgeous lady. She I mean, it's Kathy Moriarty 30:20 Yeah, she is a gorgeous lady. Yeah, I don't know anything else about her. So I don't either 30:26 So don't come out of the grain of salt, but I love her 30:30 It just gives me that like because she has a right-hand man that like does everything for her 30:34 Yeah, I don't know why I just thought of it. Anyways 30:37 According to Evans, this happened several more times 30:40 that night, all without any apparent cause. 30:42 Like he was like, I don't think she's thrown 30:43 these things in the air, they're legit flying 30:45 out of her hands. 30:46 And as for whether it could have been a hoax, 30:48 he again, he didn't think so. 30:50 As far as he could tell, Alma was just as shocked 30:52 by each occurrence and was shaking violently 30:55 with her heart racing. 30:57 He even put his fingers to her wrist at one point 30:59 to check her pulse and her pulse was really going. 31:02 Damn, so she was scarred. 31:03 Okay. 31:04 During that first visit, 31:05 at the family shared stories. 31:07 And I'm just gonna be an asshole here. 31:08 She's scared or she's nervous 31:09 because she knows she's fraudulent. 31:11 Hey. 31:11 And I'm just saying it from a point of view of a... 31:14 I wasn't saying, hey, stop it. 31:16 I was saying, hey, good point. 31:18 Hey, hey, you could be right. 31:21 Or it could be the other thing. 31:23 Or it's really scary. 31:24 Yeah, keep an open mind. 31:25 Yeah. 31:25 So during that first vision visit, 31:29 the family shared stories with Evans 31:30 about their experiences with Jimmy. 31:32 In one incident, a heavy wardrobe 31:34 had been thrown onto Don's bed in the middle of the night. 31:38 But fortunately, he was at a friend's house that evening. 31:40 That's good. 31:41 No, and he was at a friend's house 31:43 because the house was just like such a fucking ruckus 31:45 that he was like, I gotta get out of here. 31:46 It is a lot. 31:47 And a lot. 31:48 Childproof those big pieces of furniture. 31:50 Yeah, you really have to actually arm those to the wall. 31:52 Yeah, make sure you do that. 31:53 Anchor them to the wall. 31:53 Yeah, anchor them to the wall. 31:54 Yeah, I've seen way too many videos of like- 31:56 Yes. 31:57 Fucking- 31:57 It's really dangerous. 31:58 Dressers falling on top of this. 31:59 Especially like dressers and bookshelves. 32:01 Mm-hmm. 32:01 It's a little PSA, anchors. 32:02 For them to move the wall. 32:03 Yeah smart. I remember when you had to baby proof your whole house. That was a lot 32:07 Yeah, you know you can like hire agencies to do that. Yeah, that's there's no way I could I hired an agency 32:12 No, I would need to do it all myself. Yeah, I got that. Yeah 32:15 There's no they was like it I wouldn't be able to because I couldn't trust anyone and I couldn't afford it 32:19 Yeah, I'm sure those are expensive valid 32:21 Yeah, now while he was listening to them describe their experiences 32:25 They actually heard a loud smash come from the hall outside of dawn's room 32:29 And when they went to check Evans found pieces of a small China vase laying on the floor near a grandfather clock 32:35 They're breaking so much shit. A lot of shit is breaking 32:38 Yeah, and he assured Fodor that nobody was on the second floor at the time and the vase had very clearly been thrown from Don's bedroom 32:45 But no one was up. Yeah, like what the fuck? He told Fodor. I 32:50 Unhesitatingly label it supernatural. Oh 32:53 Oh, unhesitatingly. 32:54 I love it. 32:55 So Fodor got to the fielding house early 32:58 on the morning of February 24th, 33:00 eager to see for himself what his assistant had described. 33:03 Given that the first place Alma went with their story 33:06 was the newspaper, he obviously questioned 33:08 whether they were just seeking attention. 33:10 Yeah, of course. 33:11 But from what he could tell, 33:12 the family genuinely wanted the haunting to stop. 33:15 They had already engaged a psychic and held a seance, 33:17 but that did nothing to stop the incidents. 33:20 I feel like it usually doesn't. 33:21 Actually the best the psychic could do was tell them that quote this is awful there might be murdered babies in the well in their back garden and they should plant marigolds over the site. 33:34 What he said hey I just like hey there might be murdered babies in the well perhaps maybe I'm not who am I to say who can say as a psychic not sure here's that there's always a possibility that there's murdered babies in a well. 33:53 Yeah, that is a possibility. 33:55 Okay. 33:56 So I guess them saying that, 33:58 I mean, you could say that about any well. 34:01 You could. 34:02 It is, it might be small, 34:03 but there's always a possibility 34:05 it's not usually zero unless you check. 34:08 I like that the solution is just planting marigolds 34:10 over it. 34:11 And then they were like, 34:12 hey, instead of doing anything about that. 34:14 Well, you're doing something. 34:16 Let's not find those murder babies, 34:18 bones or anything like we don't want to do that. 34:20 No, excavators are expensive. 34:22 No justice, no closure. 34:24 Let's just use that and plant a garden. 34:29 Yeah, they'll put their souls at rest. 34:32 I would love to have sat there and just been like, 34:34 can you tell me the thought behind that? 34:35 Like, can you just like give me, talk to me 34:38 like I am a child, walk me through it. 34:41 How'd you get from A to B there, brother? 34:42 How did you get from murdered babies 34:43 in a well to marigolds? 34:45 I don't know, but that's what he did. 34:47 Please tell me. 34:48 I like that a lot. 34:49 And I hate it as well. 34:50 I like it and I hate it too. 34:51 Yeah, it's a lot. 34:53 Yeah, it's a concept for sure. 34:54 Because I just like the broad stroke that that was. 34:57 Because again, any well could have a murdered baby in it. 35:00 So that is a very valid thing to just throw out. 35:02 Like that's like throwing spaghetti against a wall. 35:04 It's like might stick. 35:05 I just think about introducing that concept to a family. 35:08 Well, I know this shit's been going down in your house. 35:11 I know it's been scary. 35:12 I think possibly it's the possible murdered babies 35:16 in the well. 35:17 Yeah, I know you guys are really scared. 35:19 And I'm here to try to help you out maybe somebody murdered a bunch of babies here and put them in your back yard 35:24 And put them in the well and what you can do sleep tight is plant. Yeah. Good night everybody. Yeah, I love it 35:30 Have fun gardening. So they didn't really like that answer 35:34 They were like, yeah, we feel like that's weird. They said thank you so much for coming. Please go 35:40 Then there were all the other people 35:42 constantly coming by and peering into the windows now that the 35:45 the article had gone out trying to get a look 35:47 at anything going on. 35:49 It was all extremely disruptive and intrusive 35:51 and less particularly Alma's husband 35:53 found it very overwhelming if he did not like it. 35:56 Yeah, so that was interesting. 35:58 Like it seemed like they weren't going out of their way 36:00 for the attention, at least Fodor thought so. 36:03 As promised, he spent several days in the Fielding House 36:06 and by the end of the week, he submitted his final report 36:08 or excuse me, his first report to Cudlip 36:11 for publication in the pictorial. 36:13 He told reporter Lionel Crane, 36:14 My assistant, Mr. L.A. Evans, and I have spent most of the week at the house. 36:18 There is certainly no fraud. 36:20 We are satisfied there is something supernatural at work there, 36:22 and we are going on with the investigations. 36:25 Damn, he just laid it, he said no fraud. 36:27 Yeah, well. 36:28 To him, the activity in the house obviously seemed genuine, 36:31 but at the same time, it also wasn't like any other usual case that he'd investigated. 36:37 Again, the family didn't seem to want the attention that the story brought them. 36:40 They also hadn't brought up the subject of payment 36:43 for the story at all. 36:45 So it wasn't a matter of financial gain either. 36:48 And others from outside the home 36:50 had seen the activity firsthand 36:51 and verified themselves what they saw. 36:55 All of that left Fodor to wonder 36:56 what exactly was Jimmy after? 36:58 Yeah, like what's going on here? 37:00 Yeah, now at the time 37:01 there wasn't really a universally understood 37:03 or I guess shared definition of a poltergeist 37:06 which is what Fodor thought was happening 37:07 in the fielding home. 37:08 but the phenomenon was widely believed by paranormal researchers to result from 37:13 like unbridled psychic energy typically originating from a teenager. We've 37:18 talked about this before. Oh yes, absolutely. Alma and Les did have a 37:21 teenage son Donald and some of the activities focused on or around him 37:25 but not that much more than Lesser George or like either of the other 37:31 guys. And actually based on everything that he heard, Fodor concluded that if 37:35 the poltergeist was actually really harnessing its energy on one particular member of the 37:40 Fielding House. It seemed to be Alma, actually. Yeah. 37:44 During his initial interviews with Alma, Fodor started cataloging the numerous injuries 37:48 that she sustained since the activity had started. There were cuts on her hands from 37:52 all the broken saucers and glasses, bruises on her head from a time she was pushed 37:57 down the stairs. Damn. 37:59 Various other bruises all over her body from all the time she'd been struck 38:03 by flying objects, just like this poor woman was going through it. But despite those injuries, 38:09 Alma seemed at first unwilling or really unable to acknowledge that among the people living in 38:14 the house, she was the one taking the brunt of everything. She said, I don't think these bruises 38:19 were intentional. I think it just happened that we were in the way. That's a very nice way of 38:23 looking at it. That's very sweet. It's not that they're mean. It's very like, I don't know, 38:28 they lived here first, which is always my approach. 38:31 Since the majority of the activity did appear to focus on her, 38:34 though, Fodor actually started to come up with this theory 38:38 or question, like he was wondering, 38:40 if Alma Fielding was psychic and wasn't realizing it. 38:45 And perhaps because of that, maybe 38:47 she was the cause of the activity in the house. 38:50 Now, under normal circumstances, 38:51 that question would seem absurd. 38:53 But to Alma, it actually seemed like something 38:55 she might have already considered. 38:56 She told Vodor, I am told I'm psychic because sometimes I tell people things that come to pass. 39:02 And she went on to describe several dreams or visions that she'd had, 39:06 like one where her son was in a bike accident that ended up happening a few days later. 39:10 Oh, shit. 39:12 And that's like real. 39:13 What's that? 39:14 That shit happens. 39:15 That happens to me. 39:15 Because you do that. 39:16 John does that and my mom does that. 39:19 Yeah. 39:20 And it's happened like several times. 39:22 I don't have any control over it. 39:24 No, none of them do. 39:25 And it happens like sometimes and then just like won't happen for a long time and it's legit like I'm again 39:31 I'm like I'm like a whimsical skeptic where like I want to prove things wrong just for my brain 39:36 Yeah, it because it's weird, but I am also a whimsical bitch and I want to believe in everything 39:41 So I'm like a weird straddling the line person. I think it's because you're an earth 39:47 Sun and a water maybe that is it I think it is that makes sense. So I'm like a whimsical skeptic and so I 39:53 I would tell you if this was not, 39:55 I'd be like, no, like they don't really feel that way. 39:58 Like that this hasn't really happened. 39:59 It's really happened. 40:00 But like all three of them in my life 40:02 have told me something or been like, 40:04 I had a dream or I have a feeling. 40:06 Like you get feelings all the time that straight up happen. 40:09 Like you'll be like, 40:10 I don't know, I feel like something weird 40:11 is gonna happen. 40:12 And then it does. 40:12 And then something weird will happen. 40:14 Yeah. 40:14 And John will do it where he'll like, 40:16 he's like predicted a car accident before. 40:18 Yeah. 40:19 The other day he was walking the dogs 40:20 and he said he got a weird feeling like something bad was gonna happen and it like overwhelmed him 40:26 and like someone was gonna get sick or something like that and something did happen. 40:31 Yeah. It does happen a lot. Yeah. It's crazy. And I don't know how to explain like the feeling 40:35 and so honestly sometimes they're wrong. Like I will say they're not always spot on but a lot 40:40 of times they're right. Yeah. Ma is super witchy. So I think we get it from her and then 40:45 and John had like an aunt, right? 40:47 Oh yeah. 40:48 Who was like psychic? 40:49 Oh yeah, it was like straight up psychic. 40:51 And like born with a veil, right? 40:52 Yeah, like that's supposed to be like the thing 40:54 is they're born with like a veil over their face kind of thing. 40:57 It's like, and that's like the spooky version of it, 41:00 but like she used to like work with the police sometimes. 41:02 That's crazy. 41:03 Like find missing people. 41:04 I don't know a lot about my birth, 41:05 but I don't think I was born with a veil. 41:07 Yeah. 41:07 I don't really have anybody to ask. 41:09 Yeah, I think that's like a mythical thing, 41:11 but whatever, mythical. 41:12 Yeah. 41:12 I like it though. 41:14 I love it. 41:14 I wonder if Ma was born... 41:15 It's just spooky as fuck. 41:16 I bet Ma was born with a veil. 41:18 That bitch is so psychic. 41:20 But anyways, 41:21 so she insisted that she never really given the subject much thought 41:24 because she said, 41:25 there are things which we are not meant to know. 41:27 Which that answer would drive you crazy. 41:30 I'm surprised you like that. 41:31 No, I like that. 41:31 I like it in this story. 41:33 Okay. 41:33 Okay. 41:34 I don't like that in life. 41:35 Yeah. 41:35 Because there is nothing I'm not meant to know. 41:38 It is true. 41:39 I do agree with that sentiment, though. 41:41 I think there are just things that we, 41:43 we don't know when we're not meant to. 41:46 And I'm like, I feel like we're gonna. 41:47 Maybe, we're gonna know. 41:49 Maybe, I don't think we'll know all things. 41:51 So damn it. 41:52 Eileen was like, let's fist fight, put him on. 41:54 So the more Fodor got to know Alma, 41:56 the more convinced he became that whatever was happening 41:58 in the house, it did have something to do with her. 42:00 In fact, he soon learned that the night the glasses 42:03 were thrown around the bedroom was actually not the first 42:05 time something strange or disturbing had happened. 42:08 Alma told him several months earlier, 42:10 she started hearing things in the house 42:12 that she couldn't explain. 42:13 There was an incident in late 1937 42:15 when she was home alone, 42:17 but she heard a voice in the dining room, 42:19 which I said, same sister. 42:21 And the voice was whispering, 42:22 hurry up, hurry up. 42:25 What? Which would fuck me up. 42:27 I saw something, I didn't hear shit. 42:29 I don't like that. 42:29 For some reason, seeing something ain't shit to me. 42:33 Like, I'm just like, okay, that was freaky. 42:34 I know, because I feel like I see things all the time. 42:36 Hearing something? 42:37 That would fuck me up. 42:38 That would fuck me up. 42:39 Because I've heard things at mom and papa's before, 42:40 and like, anybody else hear that? 42:43 Like, it's a weird feeling for it to infiltrate that sense. 42:47 Yeah, you know? 42:48 I don't like that. 42:50 No. 42:50 That happens to me a lot in that, 42:52 and it might just be like mom paranoia that like, 42:55 I'll be like, wait a minute, 42:56 and I'll like make John turn down the TV 42:58 and I'm like, did someone just say mama 43:00 or like, did someone just say something? 43:03 And nobody has, but I've heard it. 43:05 Like, I know I've heard mama or something. 43:08 I don't like that. 43:08 or I hate like when you'll wake up from a dream 43:11 and you heard something in the dream 43:13 that like almost felt like it was the thing 43:15 that woke you up. 43:16 That happens to me so often and it fucks me up 43:19 because then I don't know if it's actually a sound 43:22 that I heard in the house. 43:23 And then I can't go back to sleep 43:24 because I think someone's in the house. 43:26 I think there's a lot about dreams that we don't know. 43:28 Oh, for sure. 43:29 I think dreams are almost like a parallel universe 43:32 kind of thing. 43:33 Yeah, yeah. 43:34 I think for sure there is. 43:35 And that happens to me so fucking often 43:38 and that I will wake up to us with the sound 43:40 being half in a dream, half, 43:42 I don't know if it's the sound that woke me up or not, 43:45 and then my heart's going like 1,000 miles an hour, 43:47 so I feel like I'm having a heart attack 43:48 in the middle of the night and I can't calm down. 43:50 Hate that. 43:51 It's so weird, hate that. 43:53 Well, this wasn't the only thing for Alma that was weird 43:55 because like, so she heard that voice, 43:56 she went to look, nobody was there. 43:57 Then a few days before Christmas, 43:59 things escalated, she said. 44:01 One afternoon when she was out of the house, 44:02 she was, or when everybody else was out of the house, 44:04 sorry, so she was by herself. 44:05 Alma was carrying some dishes down the stairs 44:08 and she felt a large hand just firmly grip her shoulder. 44:13 No. 44:14 Which I would poop my pants. 44:16 Getting touched is not, not fun. 44:19 Getting touched is no way no. 44:21 The shock caused her to drop the dishes 44:22 and she actually fainted. 44:24 She was so scared. 44:24 Oh my God. 44:25 And when she came to, she was lying at the floor 44:27 at the bottom of the stairs 44:28 with broken dishes all around her. 44:30 They need to start taking up decoupage. 44:33 Is that what it is? 44:33 Where you like put pieces of glass and make-up? 44:36 Decoupage? 44:37 I think it is. 44:37 They need to do that. 44:38 Cause they, you gotta do something 44:40 with all this broken glass. 44:41 Yeah. 44:41 Okay. 44:42 That's a fun word to say. 44:43 Decoupage. 44:43 Decoupage. 44:44 It's also like, damn, back then. 44:46 Yeah. 44:46 She was expensive to replace. 44:47 It's a lot of broken glass. 44:48 So decoupage and start selling it. 44:50 Yeah. 44:50 But it was like Jimmy, quote unquote, 44:52 wanted Alma's attention specifically 44:54 and he was willing to do anything to get it. 44:56 Jimmy, you're being pushy as fuck. 44:58 He's literally pushing. 45:00 Given everything that he was learning about Alma 45:02 and the activity in the house, Fodor wanted to kind of do an experiment. He wanted to remove 45:06 her from the home environment and test her in a more neutral space, which I actually 45:11 found really fascinating. I think that is smart. So on February 26, he traveled with Alma to the 45:16 International Institute for Psychical Research in Kensington, where she was to be tested for 45:21 psychic abilities. Just before the test started, she was led down a hallway by a female member 45:26 of the research team who asked her to undress for a thorough search during which all loose 45:31 items were taken from her. And after the search, they walked down, or they walked towards a 45:36 small room. But before they made it to the door, a brass-bound hairbrush came flying at Alma, 45:43 quote, apparently from nowhere and hit her in the head. She reached down and she picked up the 45:47 brush. And to everybody's shock and horror, it was her own hairbrush that she had left behind 45:52 at home that morning. What the f- And she just been searched. Yeah. Yeah. For Fodor, 45:57 the discovery of Alma was akin to finding a gold mine, and his enthusiasm could barely be contained. 46:03 But for Alma and everybody in the house, the entire experience was really overwhelming for them, 46:09 and it was starting to prevent them from living a normal day-to-day life. 46:13 But soon, the investigation was taking place more outside of the home than in. 46:18 And that's when his focus shifted from the Fielding family to Alma alone. 46:23 At that point, she was making regular visits to the Institute to be tested. 46:26 During one of those meetings, she sat with a psychic medium, Countess Nora Widenbrock, 46:32 one of the mediums who Fodor had been working with for years. 46:35 Countess. 46:36 Of course. 46:37 Alma was asked to sit inside the medium's cabinet with the curtains drawn behind her 46:41 back so that she could still be seen by those sitting in front of her. 46:45 As she sat idly in the cabinet, the researchers watched the fabric of the curtains swaying 46:49 lightly as she was breathing, which is interesting because she's not facing them. 46:53 Oh, yeah. 46:54 Then after a few minutes she spoke and said something is moving behind me underneath the chair 46:58 They all sat still for a moment listening for noises until Alma spoke again and said something is still there 47:04 I feel as if I were sitting on it. I think it's something solid. Eww 47:08 Something about the situation made the medium feel a sense of sick dread. She said everything about it should 47:14 Fodor went over the cabinet went over to the cabinet and reached inside and 47:18 He reached to the small space behind the chair and his hand hit something solid 47:23 And when he pulled the object out, 47:25 it was a glass dome about two inches in diameter. 47:28 And Alma recognized the object immediately. 47:31 It was an ornamental dust cover from her son's room. 47:34 The fuck did it get there? 47:36 Cause that's the thing, remember, she was not at home. 47:38 Yeah. 47:39 How the fuck did that happen? 47:41 Same thing as the hairbrush. 47:42 By March, Fodor started reporting his results 47:46 to not just the Sunday pictorial, 47:48 but also to various spiritualist magazines 47:51 and newspapers, which were huge at the time. 47:53 We just talked about it, 47:54 especially those who criticized him publicly 47:56 and questioned his belief. 47:57 He was like, bitch. 47:58 I'm a believer. 47:59 Look what I found. 48:01 He told the Journal of the American Society 48:03 of Psychical Research, 48:05 there has not been greater or truer ghost story 48:07 than this one for many years. 48:08 I always wanted to meet a poltergeist. 48:10 Now I have met one, a poltergeist, 48:12 which is certainly destructive, yet not malevolent. 48:15 In fact, to a certain degree, 48:17 amendable to experimental suggestions. 48:32 Getting a good night's sleep can start well before your head hits that pillow. 48:37 I take my nighttime routine very seriously. 48:40 I need a cup of tea, honey. 48:42 I gotta go upstairs. 48:43 I gotta do my skincare routine. 48:44 And then I need to lay in bed and maybe do a little meditation on my hatch alarm clock. 48:49 The hatch sleep clock is a different kind of sleep tracker designed to help make sense 48:53 of sleep without adding more stress. 48:55 Contactless tracking works right from the nightstand. 48:58 no ring or wristband required, nothing to wear, and nothing to recharge. 49:02 Honestly, checking in on my sleep score all the time and wondering if I slept well enough 49:06 kind of makes like sleeping an anxiety-inducing activity for me, 49:11 so I love that hatch sleep clock, skip sleep scores, and score chasing. 49:15 Instead, it provides personalized insights and recommendations to help uncover what supports 49:20 better sleep. 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That's dell.com slash deals. 51:42 So within a few weeks, when there was nothing new or compelling to report, 51:46 the public's interest in the Thornton Heath poltergeist did start to fade. 51:49 Meanwhile though, Fodor's interest in, it sounded like I said Hodor. 51:53 Hodor's interest in Alma couldn't have been stronger. 51:56 For decades, he had been searching for this irrefutable proof of the supernatural and 52:01 now it felt like he had finally find it after all those years. 52:04 Yeah. 52:05 Found it. 52:05 Found it too. 52:06 He found it. 52:06 He found it. 52:09 All of the above. 52:10 But if Alma was psychic and she was the cause of the disturbances and the family home, 52:15 then where was her power coming from and why all of a sudden, like why had it just 52:19 emerged now? 52:20 Yeah. 52:21 Yeah. 52:21 Now when asked by Fodor to think back to her first experience with the supernatural, Alma 52:26 described a pretty strange incident that had occurred in 1930. 52:31 She and Les had been playing cards with some friends when she started to not feel well, 52:35 and she excused herself to lie down on the sofa. 52:38 Now, this seems to be a running theme, I was going to say theme, and then I said 52:43 thing, so I just said theme. 52:45 But it seems to be a running theme, like she doesn't feel well right before these 52:49 Really strange things happen. So she went to go lay down and a short time later 52:54 Her friends started to worry about her and they tried to wake her up and as she came to she said she was deeply 52:59 Confused by what was happening on one side of her was her husband less tugging at her at her arm 53:04 But on the other side was her father who had died from tuberculosis a few years earlier 53:10 Oh, that's weird and she said my father 53:13 Lent across and drew a cross with his fingers on my left breast, which is pretty disturbing. 53:19 I took a sip of my drink during that. 53:21 Yeah, wrong timing, babe. 53:22 It was a joke. 53:23 A few seconds later though, when she was finally awake, her father was gone and everything 53:27 was back to normal. 53:28 All right. 53:29 The next morning, she looked at herself in the mirror and there was a large cross-shaped 53:33 bruise where her father had made the sign. 53:36 The following day, the bruise was gone and in its place was a thick scar. 53:41 Oh. 53:41 So she was concerned because obviously that's not the natural progression of how a bruise heals. 53:45 No, she made it and confirmed. 53:47 Yeah, can't confirm. You should definitely call someone. 53:49 Yeah. 53:49 So she called her doctor and was referred to a specialist. 53:52 And after conducting a few tests, they discovered a cancerous mass under the exact same spot. 53:59 Whoa. 54:01 Isn't that bananas? 54:02 That's weird. 54:03 Now luckily they detected the problem early enough and they were able to remove the mass. 54:08 Damn. 54:08 A few years later she experienced yet another health crisis. 54:12 One day without warning, she fucking lost her sight completely. 54:20 Hysterical blindness. 54:21 Oh, shit. 54:22 She said, I told nobody because, 54:24 I think it's actually called something else now. 54:25 She said, I told nobody because I could walk about, 54:28 ride my bicycle and carry on. 54:30 When asked by Fodor how it was she was able 54:32 to navigate the world without her sight, 54:34 she was kind of vague. 54:35 She said, I cannot explain. 54:37 It seemed to me as if it were a sense given to me. 54:40 I knew everything that was coming near me. 54:43 I knew by the sound of the train, 54:45 whether it was from London or from Thornton Heath, 54:47 I could get on the right one. 54:50 So she just lost her sight for a little- 54:52 But could still just go everywhere. 54:54 What was not really affected by it. 54:57 It's like she gained another sense. 54:59 Yeah, which does happen, 55:00 but it's usually like it takes some time 55:02 to harness that other sense, I think. 55:04 That's wild. 55:05 So with all this new information, 55:07 Fodor started putting the pieces together. 55:09 Her first experience occurred the night that she had the vision of her father, it seemed, 55:14 and subsequently found out that she had the cancerous mass. 55:16 Then she obtained what she kind of described as like a second sight when she temporarily lost 55:21 her vision. And then most recently, the poltergeist activity in the house, don't forget, 55:26 started when Alma started having those really bad pelvic pains 55:29 and was confined to bed for over a week. Each burst of paranormal activity seemed 55:35 to coincide with the onset of a mild to serious illness, and Alma had been struggling with 55:41 mild to severe illness since she was a young girl. So fordor concluded, Alma's bodily 55:46 failings seem to trigger a special capacity as if she were trading physical for psychic 55:51 power. Isn't that fascinating? 55:55 That is, I've never heard of something like this. 55:57 Neither have I. 55:58 This is very interesting. 55:59 So by the end of March, as Alma became more engaged with the research at the institute, 56:03 The activity in the fielding house actually started to slow down until it eventually stopped altogether. 56:08 But the deeper Alma Fodor and the rest of the researchers dug into Alma's supposed supernatural abilities, 56:14 the more serious of a toll it started to take on her. 56:17 Things at home were calm, but she was still going through it. 56:20 She started having really strange experiences, like sudden chunks of time were missing, 56:26 or she felt like she was experiencing the future while her body was still in the present. 56:30 Oh. 56:31 On one occasion, when they were taking the tram from Kensington back to Croydon, she felt 56:36 like something cold was touching her neck. 56:38 And she said it wasn't anything unpleasant, and within a few moments the sensation was 56:42 gone. 56:43 But when she got home, she wasn't feeling well. 56:45 So she said hi to her husband, and she was like, listen, I'm going to go upstairs and 56:48 lay down for a little bit. 56:50 As she undressed to get into the bed, a cold feeling of metal touching her 56:53 skin came back, and this time it was much stronger. 56:57 And she actually lost consciousness. 56:59 What? 57:00 A short time later, her husband found her lying on the floor at the top of the stairs. 57:05 And as he helped her to her feet, he noticed a heavy silver chain necklace around her neck 57:10 that she wasn't wearing earlier. 57:11 What the fuck? 57:13 When asked where it came from, she was still in a daze, and she said, the Asian man gave 57:17 it to me. 57:18 It's a present, a sort of souvenir. 57:20 It's very old. 57:21 I don't think I like it, but I didn't want to offend him. 57:25 What the fuck? 57:26 So Les was, uh, confused. 57:28 Concerned. 57:28 To say the least. 57:29 Alma had only gone to see Fodor and the others at the institute and there was no Asian man there as far as he knew 57:35 So he pressed Alma for more information, but her reply did little to clarify anything 57:40 She said I was at West Croydon railway railway station. I remember being there. I saw this bleach stone arch 57:47 I went through it. There was a man at my side and he told me I was in Asia. It was very hot and dry 57:54 I don't remember to have been there before but he said I used to live there 57:58 What? 57:59 Like, did you go through Platform 9 in different quarters? 58:02 I was gonna say, is this like another realm? 58:04 Like, hello? 58:04 You've crossed over into a different plane of existence? 58:07 Yeah, but things just kept getting weirder. 58:09 Just a few days after the Silver Chain incident, Alma was out with Fodor and his assistant 58:14 Laurence Evans, and Fodor noticed Alma admiring a display of a hand-carved marble animal 58:20 in like a store window. 58:22 And he told her he wanted to buy her a present to thank her for all of her cooperation 58:26 and this ongoing research. 58:27 Well, that was nice. 58:29 It was. 58:29 So she picked out the small hand-carved elephant. 58:32 But before they could buy the item, the assistant, Evans, pointed out that the lowered trunk 58:37 on the animal was a sign of bad luck, so they shouldn't buy it. 58:40 Interesting. 58:41 To which I say, fuck you, don't come for elephants. 58:43 Yeah, what the hell is that? 58:44 But the mention of bad luck seemed to really kind of mess with Alma. 58:49 And by the time they were back in the car and on the road, she put the incident 58:52 behind her. 58:52 like but she was very clearly like fragile while they were still at the store then as they drove 58:58 she reached into her purse for a handkerchief and photo all of a sudden heard like this pronounced 59:03 gasp like oh my god what was that and as he looked over he saw in Alma's hand the small 59:10 marble elephant that they had not purchased she stole the elephant probably this one i can 59:18 explain this one. I can also shop. Listen, this is where it starts to get 59:22 starts to get interesting. I'm like, OK, but the thing was he had never seen 59:27 her pick it up in the store, but here it was in her purse. 59:30 And she looked up at him and said, take it away, please. 59:32 Wow. He was like, because remember, obviously, 59:35 his go to is not like she stole it. No. 59:37 His go to is like, all these weird things are happening around. 59:41 Shit has been happening. 59:42 And now this like what? 59:44 So now this is the other thing. 59:46 This is where it gets fucking ludicrous. 59:48 And I love that word, Luda, Luda. 59:51 The objects that almost seemed capable of producing 59:54 were not always inanimate objects. 59:56 There were also times that living creatures 59:58 would appear around her too. 60:01 When I tell you Luda, Luda, baby. 60:04 What? 60:05 During one car ride, she was sitting with Fodor 60:07 and the others, like his assistant and whoever else. 60:10 When she suddenly realized, 60:11 oh, there's something on my lap. 60:13 And when she looked down, she found a motherfucking live turtle 60:19 on her lap. 60:21 It's like a Terrapin is a kind of turtle. 60:25 What? 60:26 Just chilling on her lap. 60:31 What? 60:33 Like, how does that... 60:34 And that's on a car ride? 60:35 On a car ride? 60:36 All of a sudden there's a... 60:38 Also, what's the meaning of this? 60:40 That would be my thing. 60:41 I'd be like, why did you... 60:42 Why? Why? What do you why is there a live turtle represent? 60:47 Let's see when they appear on your lap. 60:49 Longevity, protect them, protect them, protection, wisdom and patience. 60:54 Protect them and love them and keep them. 60:56 Yeah, keep the turtle. 60:57 You do with the life turtle. 60:59 But like no one had seen her pick it up or put it there. 61:03 And there was no obvious explanation for how a living animal such as a turtle 61:07 just appeared inside the moving car on this woman's lap. 61:10 I mean now it's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy and it was bizarre enough on its own like you just said that's fucking crazy 61:16 But the turtle was only one of several living things that seemed to materialize around Alma 61:21 Other times beetles appeared from underneath her gloves like beetles would just crawl out from her gloves 61:27 Stop Alma and white mice and birds appeared out of nowhere like inside space like in inside spaces 61:35 They would just materialize 61:38 that's insane yeah I'd be like someone needs to post up at the local pet store 61:42 for real and see if Alma is sneaking on in there how do you sneak a turtle into a 61:47 corner and then produce it on your lap without like everyone seeing that you've 61:52 reached somewhere to get said turtle and put it on your lap I have no idea 61:56 because I myself have never tried to sneak a turtle into a car no I that 62:02 would fuck me up like how do you explain that and the beetles and 62:05 Yeah, just coming out from her gloves like that. 62:08 I mean, I guess that one's pretty simple. 62:10 Like you just put gloves on the Beatles, 62:12 but who the fuck would willingly do that? 62:14 Yeah, your roof. 62:15 Homegirls just on fear factor. 62:17 Yeah. 62:17 So the more extraordinary the manifestations became, 62:20 the harder it was for Fodor to simply accept everything 62:22 as evidence of a psychic unknown force. 62:26 And he was starting to wonder if there was something 62:28 much more earthly going on. 62:30 At first, he wondered if Alma had simply found a way 62:33 to outsmart the researchers. 62:34 and eventually he did suspect that she was concealing objects 62:38 and apparently turtles on or inside her body somehow. 62:42 That's wild. 62:44 So here's the thing, she had demonstrated 62:46 that she was remarkably agile at a certain point throughout this 62:50 and he couldn't help but wonder, much like Carrie Broucha, 62:54 if she was using that ability to hide small objects 62:57 and then retrieve them once a seance or investigation 63:00 was underway. 63:01 Damn. 63:01 Yeah, so in an attempt to finally catch her in the act he arranged for her to be x-rayed before one of their sessions or nor 63:09 And he told her the x-ray was simply another way of investigating her supposed psychic abilities 63:14 Yeah, and she was hesitant at first. She kind of said like it reminded her of being sick 63:20 She didn't like it. She would have to talk to her husband about it. Yeah, but then she finally agreed 63:26 Unfortunately, when the images came back, he saw exactly what he had been looking for. 63:31 There were two small objects visible against her body, including a heart-shaped object 63:36 and another that was like a small pin or brooch kind of thing that she later produced during 63:43 say ounces of investigations. 63:45 Oh, Alma. 63:46 True crime. 63:47 So it proved that at least some of her supernatural quote-unquote manifestations were being 63:52 accomplished through deception. 63:53 Yeah. 63:53 But, rather than simply expose her as a fraud and end the investigation, he actually became 63:59 even more fascinated by the question of why she was going to all this trouble. 64:03 And if she herself even fully understood what she was doing. 64:06 And was it all a fraud? 64:07 That's the thing. 64:08 Was it all a fraud? 64:10 By this point, it was becoming clear that whatever was happening to Alma, the investigation 64:14 was having a serious toll on her mental and physical health. 64:18 And when he first met Alma, he was thrilled to find a case so rich with evidence 64:22 of the supernatural, but now after months of working with her and mounting evidence that 64:26 at least some of the phenomena might have been deliberately staged, 64:30 he was starting to wonder if doing this investigation continuing on 64:33 was doing more harm than good for both of them. Because like, yeah, she's not doing any better 64:39 and he took this on to kind of like prove to everybody that he was a believer, 64:43 but now he's found evidence that, you know, makes him rightfully skeptical. 64:48 So he's unsure how to move forward, so he contacted his friend Elizabeth Severn, who 64:54 was a psychoanalyst he had worked with in the US. 64:56 After hearing about Alma's experiences, Severn suggested that these strange occurrences might 65:03 be connected to unresolved psychological trauma from Alma's past. 65:07 And rather than being haunted by an outside force, maybe she was struggling with something 65:12 deep buried inside of her psyche. 65:13 It was a possibility that he hadn't really considered when the investigation started, 65:18 but the more he did start to learn about Alma's life, the more interested Fodor God, that idea. 65:24 It kind of felt like that was the path to go down. In the time that he got to know her, 65:30 he did learn that Alma had experienced considerable grief throughout her life. 65:34 Like I said, she had struggled with a lot of illnesses and personal hardships. 65:38 Yeah. 65:38 So he wondered if those experiences were somehow connected to the strange things happening now. 65:43 Valid hoping to understand that connection 65:46 Fodor and his colleague Henry Freyworth decided to attempt hypnosis one more time 65:52 So they arrived at the field shot and Alma was actually unusually calm and relaxed when they got there 65:58 Less was at work Don was visiting a friend and for once the house was quiet 66:02 So it was really perfect timing to go into this like regressive state with her 66:06 Yeah, which was something that they had done throughout their investigation. I'm something like kind of fucked up 66:10 What's that I must have felt fucked up 66:13 you know, to like, to hypnotize her. 66:15 Yeah, yeah. 66:16 I would imagine. 66:17 And to like, you're, you're oppressing 66:20 to kind of get somebody's trauma. 66:22 That's the thing like that. 66:22 I feel like that's scary. 66:24 Yeah. It would freak me out. 66:25 Now, well, as he guided her into a hypnotic state, 66:28 he asked whether she could hear his voice and she said, 66:31 yes, but there are others as well, many voices. 66:34 Oh. 66:35 And later she described hearing a mixture of voices, 66:38 some belonging to children, some belonging to adults. 66:42 She said that some whispered while others shouted or screamed and none of it made sense. 66:47 It reminds me of the episode that we just watched of True Blood where they get into Marnie's head 66:52 and there's just like a shit ton of voices. 66:54 Just shenanigans. 66:55 When she's saying like some weren't shouting or screaming like that. 66:59 Yeah, I hate that. 67:00 Some were whispering, some were shouting, it's weird.
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