In this episode Martin and Chris host Hadi Hariri and Sebastian Aigner from Jetbrains to talk about Kotlin, IDEs, world domination and many other topics. Such as politics (maybe). And protein bars and their rise to fame in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. And how Google was actually kidnapped. Confused? You should be. But don't miss this episode for the resolution of all this, fun on Google and money, programming languages and more. Much more. Links Jetbrains: https://www.jetbrains.com Kotlin: https://kotlinlang.org Google's announcement: https://developer.android.com/kotlin/first Jetbrains' expectation: https://blog.jetbrains.com/kotlin/2011/08/why-jetbrains-needs-kotlin Talking Kotlin: https://talkingkotlin.com Five year anniversary episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13QJt5mqUoM Kotlin @ GitHub: https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin Kotlin @ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/kotlin Ultimate Guitar Tabs: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com Boardwalk Empire: https://www.hbo.com/boardwalk-empire Jamis Buck's Mazes for Programmers: https://www.amazon.de/Mazes-Programmers-Twisty-Little-Passages/dp/1680500554 Criminal Record: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/criminal-record/umc.cmc.1sbjeoma6tvxgda6l0h4bb0x3 PyCharm: https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm