Extra episode: Live from the Leaders in Finance AML Event 2026 with Marinos Berger, Oliver Bullough, Daniel Orchard, Vincent Gaudel, and Guido Penzhorn

Welcome to this extra episode of the Leaders in Finance Podcast, recorded live after the Leaders in Finance AML Event 2026 at Pakhuis de Zwijger in Amsterdam. Host Tom van Disseldorp is joined by Marinos Berger (Senior Solutions Lead Fraud & Compliance at SAS), Oliver Bullough (journalist and author), Daniel Orchard (EMEA KYC & Onboarding Specialist at NICE Actimize), Vincent Gaudel (Financial Crime Compliance Expert at LexisNexis Risk Solutions), and Guido Penzhorn (Partner at Deloitte) to reflect on the fight against money laundering and financial crime. After years of regulation, investment and technological development, why are we still discussing the same challenges? Can AI fundamentally improve investigations while criminals are using the same tools? And how do we measure whether AML efforts actually make a difference? The guests explore the gap between compliance and effectiveness, the need for cross-border information sharing, and the importance of data quality and feedback from FIUs and law enforcement. They also discuss the human cost of financial exclusion and why closing alerts or filing reports tells us little about the criminal networks disrupted or victims protected. Their challenge to the sector: move from proving how hard we work to understanding what actually works. Leaders in Finance is made possible with the support of EY, Duna, Mogelijk Real Estate Finance and Lepaya. Want to stay up to date with Leaders in Finance? Subscribe to our newsletter. Questions, suggestions or feedback? Email [email protected] or visit leadersinfinance.nl. Previous guests on the Leaders in Finance Podcast include: Klaas Knot (President of DNB), Frank Elderson (Executive Board Member, ECB), Roland Boekhout (CEO of de Volksbank), Gerrit Zalm (former Minister of Finance and former CEO of ABN AMRO), Ingrid de Swart (Executive Board Member, a.s.r.), Pinar Abay (Management Board Member, ING, and Head of Retail Banking), Robert Swaak (CEO of ABN AMRO), Marcel Zuidam (CEO of NN Bank), Saul van Beurden (CEO of Consumer, Small & Business Banking, Wells Fargo), David Knibbe (CEO of NN Group), Janine Vos (Managing Board Member, Rabobank), Nadine Klokke (CEO of Knab), Maarten Edixhoven (CEO of Van Lanschot Kempen), Jeroen Rijpkema (CEO of Triodos Bank), Nout Wellink (former President of DNB), Onno Ruding (former Minister of Finance), Yoram Schwarz (CEO of Movir), Laura van Geest (Chair of the Executive Board, AFM), Katja Kok (CEO of Van Lanschot Switzerland), Ali Niknam (CEO of bunq), Nick Bortot (CEO of BUX), Petri Hofsté (Supervisory Board Member at organisations including Rabobank and Achmea), Peter Paul de Vries (CEO of Value8), Barbara Baarsma (CEO of Rabo Carbon Bank), Jan van Rutte (Supervisory Board Member at PGGM and BNG Bank; former CFO of ABN AMRO), Marguerite Soeteman-Reijnen (Chair of Aon Holdings), Lidwin van Velden (CEO of Nederlandse Waterschapsbank), Jan-Willem van der Schoot (CEO of Mastercard Netherlands), Joanne Kellermann (Chair of PFZW), Steven Maijoor (former Chair of ESMA), Radboud Vlaar (CEO of Finch Capital), Jos Baeten (CEO of a.s.r.), Karin van Baardwijk (CEO of Robeco) and Annette Mosman (CEO of APG). Positions and organisations at the time of the interview.