Collaboration Isn’t Fluffy: It’s Fundamental to Cybersecurity—Rethinking the Role of Humans in Cyber Defense | An Infosecurity Europe 2025 Conversation with Purvi Kay and Rob Black | On Location Coverage with Sean Martin and Marco Ciappelli

Cybersecurity isn’t just about code, controls, or compliance—it’s about people. That’s the core message from Purvi Kay, Head of Cybersecurity for the Future Combat Air System at BAE Systems, and Rob Black, founder of the UK Cyber Leaders Challenge, as they share how genuine collaboration is reshaping security success in high-stakes environments. In this InfoSecurity Europe conversation, Purvi emphasizes that cybersecurity is still too often seen as an IT issue, when in reality it cuts across every aspect of business. Her role spans cybersecurity strategy, leadership development, and advocacy—serving also as Chair of BAE’s Women in Cyber program and as a neurodiversity champion. For her, inclusion is more than a policy—it’s essential to mission success, especially when coordinating across trilateral government and industry teams on programs as complex as next-gen fighter aircraft. Rob reinforces this point with his focus on developing soft skills in future cybersecurity leaders. His work brings non-traditional talent into cyber, prioritizing communication, empathy, and multidisciplinary collaboration. These human-centric capabilities are crucial when bridging divides between security, legal, HR, and operations. Both guests highlight how assumptions, language, and siloed thinking obstruct progress. Purvi shares how cybersecurity has often been seen as a barrier—brought in too late, misunderstood, or left out of key decisions. She now champions “secure by design” practices through early involvement of cross-functional teams. Rob brings a memorable example: using marriage counseling techniques to help auditors and developers understand each other better—not to resolve personal conflict, but to decode cultural and professional misalignments. Their conversation also touches on practical methods for building shared understanding, from sketching “river journeys” to map project dynamics, to fostering stakeholder buy-in through intentional communication. Whether aligning three governments or managing internal procurement, they show that collaboration isn’t just a buzzword—it’s a structured, repeatable approach to managing complexity. This episode offers a thoughtful and grounded look at how meaningful human connection—across functions, cultures, and roles—forms the foundation of effective cybersecurity. It’s a timely reminder that the path to resilience begins with listening, empathy, and a clear sense of shared purpose. ___________ Guests: Purvi Kay , Head of Cybersecurity for the Future Combat Air System at BAE Systems | https://www.linkedin.com/in/purvikay/ Rob Black , Director, UK Cyber Leaders Challenge | https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-black-30440819/ Hosts: Sean Martin , Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine | Website: https://www.seanmartin.com Marco Ciappelli , Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine | Website: https://www.marcociappelli.com ___________ Episode Sponsors ThreatLocker: https://itspm.ag/threatlocker-r974 ___________ Resources Learn more and catch more stories from Infosecurity Europe 2025 London coverage: https://www.itspmagazine.com/infosec25 Catch all of our event coverage: https://www.itspmagazine.com/technology-and-cybersecurity-conference-coverage Want to tell your Brand Story Briefing as part of our event coverage? Learn More 👉 https://itspm.ag/evtcovbrf Want Sean and Marco to be part of your event or conference? Let Us Know 👉 https://www.itspmagazine.com/contact-us ___________ KEYWORDS sean martin, rob black, purvi kay, cybersecurity, collaboration, communication, leadership, diversity, empathy, infosecurity europe, event coverage, on location, conference Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.