Show full transcript 0:59 We we're gonna talk about a lot of great things today. We're gonna talk about 1:04 whether or not Paul was taller than John. 1:07 We're gonna talk about Paul's love of animals. 1:10 We're gonna discuss what makes a great breakfast 1:13 and how many berries are involved. 1:15 And we are going to talk about Paul's new music, 1:18 Boys of Dungeon Lane, the re-release 1:22 and new songs that have just recently come out. 1:25 Special edition, we're gonna get into music in general. 1:28 Of course, it is Paul McCartney. 1:30 Paul McCartney is music. 1:32 Before we do this, we always like to speak to somebody who knows our guest, is a fan 1:37 of our guest, or in this case, is the daughter of our guest, and we are speaking today to 1:41 Stella McCartney, Stella McCartney, a huge talent, fashion designer, incredible creative 1:48 mind who is just so funny and warm and witty and smart, and we got the opportunity to 1:56 talk to her, and we're gonna see if Stella is gonna give us a good question for her dad. 2:03 So Stella? 2:10 This episode of Good Hang is presented by PayPal, brighten up the start to the festive season 2:15 by getting ahead of the holiday rush. 2:17 Shop your favorite online stores with PayPal this holiday, like Sephora for gift sets, 2:22 Target for Toys and Electronics, and TikTok Shop for fashion, apparel, and gadgets. 2:27 Check out with the flexibility to pay now or pay later, and split your payments with pay 2:32 in four, with no interest, no late fees. 2:35 Shop now with PayPal. 2:36 Pay in four, subject to approval, learn more at paypal.com slash pay in four. 2:41 PayPal, Inc. and MLS 910457. 2:46 To talk to you, I'm sorry we were having some technical difficulties. 2:57 Oh no, that's good. 2:58 We were having some technical difficulties also. 3:01 Am I speaking to you in England? 3:03 Yes. 3:04 Hi, Stella. 3:05 Oh, Amy, I actually like you a lot. 3:07 I can't believe it took this to get us together. 3:11 I know I've had the pleasure of being invited and dressed by you, 3:15 but I've had the chance to go to many events where you have been, 3:20 where we've, I've had like a very quick drive-by. 3:23 And every time I've gotten a chance to spend time with you, 3:26 I've really wanted more because I'm such a fan of you, 3:30 your work, your creativity, 3:31 how you conduct yourself in the world 3:34 and it's really, really nice to talk to you today. 3:37 Thank you for talking to us. 3:38 Likewise, wow, that was a bit serious. 3:41 That freaked me out. 3:41 Yeah, it got very serious. 3:43 Have you ever do that again? 3:44 Never. 3:45 I know you Brits. 3:46 You Brits, you can't get one compliment 3:48 and you guys get real. 3:50 All right, honestly, I'm nearly, 3:51 I vomited a tiny bit in my mouth, though. 3:53 I know, well, you know, get used to it. 3:54 I am great, I'll take it. 3:56 Are you in the middle of a show right now? 4:01 Perfect timing. Thanks for that. I have a show in about three days in Paris. I'm not busy at all, Amy. 4:06 So, you know, with the time difference and everything, it's perfect. It's brilliant. 4:10 I was kind of wondering what I'd do tonight and you can just fill the hole. Fill the hole. 4:16 I mean, what I imagine is going through your mind right now with three days to go, 4:20 but at three days to go before a show, what is left to do? Is it everything? 4:25 Pretty much. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 4:27 Yeah. 4:27 I mean, we only started last night, so I've got a lot of little, actually I've got children 4:34 I'm using to help stitch some things now, they're not my own. 4:39 She joked, she just, obviously I'm a sustainable cruelty-free fashion brand. 4:44 You grew up on a farm, right? 4:46 I did. 4:47 What was it like to grow up on a farm? 4:49 What were your morning jobs? 4:51 What did you have to do in the morning? 4:52 Wow. 4:53 Well, in Scotland, with my siblings, it was normally just self-entertainment. 4:58 I used to take rocks and bang them on up, and I'm not joking. 5:03 I used to take rocks and I'd bang them on other rocks. 5:08 That's about it, really. 5:10 No, a lot of horse riding, but rocks on rocks. 5:13 Yeah. 5:14 And did you have to, did you, like, I'm going to admit something. 5:18 This is a very, like, suburban city girl thing I'm going to admit. 5:22 So you might think less of me. 5:23 I've never reached in under a hand to get an egg. 5:28 Oh, I did it all the time. 5:30 Yeah, yeah. 5:31 I never particularly enjoyable. 5:34 Not really one of my, a little scary. 5:35 I would be a little afraid to get, 5:37 do you have to ask the hand to move first or do you? 5:41 It should. 5:42 Yeah. 5:43 In fact, not many people know this about me, 5:46 but I'm very good at impersonating chickens. 5:49 Really? 5:50 Can we hear? 5:57 So I'm quite good at, I can converse with the chicken amongst many other things. 6:04 So I'm bilingual in that respect, but I did have to go out and get the eggs when I was 6:09 young. 6:10 Well, your parents were like, it just seemed like they wanted so much to create a beautiful, 6:18 like peaceful and loving childhood for you. 6:22 And, you know, it seemed like that's what they gave you. 6:25 And I'm talking to your dad today 6:27 and you've probably spent the entirety of your life 6:31 having people ask you questions 6:33 and talk to you about your dad. 6:35 And I wonder what it is like 6:39 to have to kind of share your parents with the world. 6:42 Yeah, it is quite weird. 6:44 I mean, I've only ever known that, to be honest. 6:46 It's not like I've had another sort of experience. 6:49 That is my experience. 6:50 And it's definitely trippy and weird and surreal. 6:54 But I think also I was brought up, it was very extreme. 6:58 We were on a farm, it was just the six of us 7:00 and we were like in a tiny, all in one room 7:03 and mum was cooking, dad was shearing sheep 7:05 and writing songs. 7:07 And then we were on tour with like 200,000 people 7:10 screaming at your parents. 7:12 Yeah, you all went on tour together. 7:14 Yeah. 7:15 Oh, how fun. How fun. 7:17 Yeah, I was kind of angry when I was 18 because I was building friendships and I was kind of 7:23 getting into the swing of my own thing and I was like, what, really? We have to go on 7:26 a world tour. But it's amazing. It's actually one of the most, I think the biggest privileges 7:32 actually of being in my situation is being able to just truly see the world from, you 7:39 know, from that perspective, just try to travel and to see so many different cultures 7:43 and people. And also it was all very much built from love, you know, everything that my mom and 7:48 dad did was like, came from a place of love. But I'm also not particularly like a look at me type, 7:55 if you can believe it. So actually, when I went, for me, going into fashion was a more creative 8:00 way of doing things and just standing slightly behind the kind of spot. You know, I'm not 8:04 an entertainer. Imagine if I broke into song right now. Well, we did hear a chicken 8:15 an impression earlier. 8:16 We did hear that impression. 8:17 Let me hear your chicken. 8:19 What's your animal? 8:20 Go on, I'll give you, I'll be kind. 8:21 What's your best animal? 8:23 I don't know. 8:24 I don't know. 8:25 Everyone knows their best animal. 8:27 Jesus. 8:28 My best animal. 8:29 Okay, you know what? 8:30 Okay, I'm gonna try a cat for you. 8:33 Wait, is this the first time you've ever 8:35 impersonated a cat? 8:37 In public, yes. 8:38 Wow, okay. 8:40 Well, guys, you're welcome, viewers. 8:42 And here's how I feel about cats. 8:44 they're fine. I don't love them. I don't hate them, of course. That's the cat, the 8:49 door, wait a minute. All right, here we go. Okay, go. The beginning was very good. I 9:01 think people are laughing because it's so good. But you bring up something that 9:06 I think is very interesting. A lot of people that have public-facing jobs are 9:09 actually kind of secretly introverted. People would probably be surprised to 9:14 hear that you consider yourself at times introverted. I mean I don't think I 9:19 I wouldn't say I'm introverted. 9:20 That's going a little far. 9:21 I'm just not, look, my example of an extrovert 9:25 is Paul McCartney. 9:26 So it's not like, oh, I'm an introvert. 9:29 I mean, compared to him, I'm an introvert. 9:31 You know, I grew up with around SNL comedians. 9:34 So, you know, some of those, as you know, 9:36 better than anything, are extrovert 9:38 and others really aren't, but they're still performers. 9:40 Yeah, you know, I want to talk to your dad 9:43 about that, because he's around SNL all the time. 9:45 And he's basically- 9:46 I can't get rid of him. 9:47 I'm like, again, really? 9:49 Jesus, play hard to get a little bit. 9:53 I actually went to the one, the end of last season. 9:56 It was great. 9:56 It was really good fun with Will Farrell. 9:58 So he had Will on. 9:59 I was like, I am coming because obviously, 10:01 and I saw Will on your show, you guys were brilliant. 10:04 And I was like, dad, and on the way over there, 10:07 I was talking, I said, dad, you please tell me 10:09 you're gonna like get Will on and to do the cowbell. 10:11 And he's like, what cowbell? 10:13 I'm like, what? 10:14 But you know the cowbell sketch. 10:18 Anyway, so then he did, but then he got Will to do cowbell. 10:21 He did. 10:22 Again, you're welcome. 10:23 Thank you, Stella. 10:24 He didn't really give me credit, which is annoying. 10:29 Well, I mean, I want to talk to him about Lauren 10:31 and that relationship at SNL because you're right. 10:34 I mean, he was around a lot 10:36 and their affection for each other is very sweet. 10:40 I mean, honestly, you get to a point in life where your friends with people for 40, 50, 10:48 60 years, and there's so much history there, and it's really sweet to hear them talk about 10:53 each other. 10:54 They are very, very good old friends, actually. 10:56 I mean, they do yoga. 10:57 You've heard about yoga boys, right? 10:59 I like that you call them yoga boys. 11:01 They're the yoga boys. 11:02 They call themselves the yoga boys. 11:04 To be honest to God, actually, no, I must get them t-shirts for Christmas. 11:08 yoga boys. Not even yoga men. Yoga boys. Yes, because they're always learning. They're 11:15 in a beginner's mind. So what is a question I should ask him? Anything like a story that 11:25 he would want to tell or something you still don't know about him or anything you think 11:33 I should not talk to him about. That's always helpful too. 11:38 No, he's pretty, he's pretty approachable, I would say. 11:42 Yeah, I mean, I can think of things that you shouldn't ask him, 11:44 but you won't ask him those. And if you do, it'll be hilarious to watch. 11:48 I'm just going to watch that unfold quite frankly. 11:51 I've got two questions. Am I allowed two questions? 11:54 Yes, of course. 11:55 The first one I think is, I guess I just want to kind of start by saying, 12:01 you know, my dad is truly a living legend. 12:06 Like he really is an absolute icon. 12:08 He's inspired so many generations of so many people 12:13 and his impact on, you know, Planet Earth 12:17 has been just gigantic. 12:19 Like he continues to just give and give and give. 12:22 And I think he does that through lyrics, you know? 12:25 So one thing before my question, 12:26 I just wanted to read out some of my favorite 12:29 and like, you know, most meaningful lyrics by him. 12:33 So, so I sat in the attic, a piano up my nose 12:38 and the wind played a dreadful cantata, 12:41 cantata, cantata. 12:44 Saw was I from a crack of an enemy's hose 12:47 and the horrible sound of tomato, 12:50 tomato, tomato. 12:53 Ketchup, ketchup, soup and puree, soup and puree. 12:58 Don't get left behind, don't get left behind, catch up, catch up, super puree, super puree, 13:07 don't get left behind. 13:08 Now it continues, it continues if you want a little more. 13:11 My piano was boldly outspoken in attempts to repeat his refrain so I stood with a knot 13:17 in my stomach and I gazed at that terrible sight of two youngsters concealed in a barrel 13:25 smoking, Monk Berry Moon Delight. My first question I think for my father is have you 13:33 ever smoked Monk Berry Moon Delight and what is it? Fantastic question. It's from 13:38 my favourite album. From Ram. Which actually is my mum and dad. Yeah. I think my 13:43 mum shared in those lyrics actually. I think she can take a bit of credit there too. 13:47 It's called Monk Berry Moon Delight. Great. And it does go on and in fact 13:52 there's a bit about cats and kittens there and it's a good one. So that's probably my first 13:57 question. Has he ever smoked monk berry moon delight? And what the fuck do those lyrics mean? 14:05 So that's my first question. Okay, great. What is that about? My other question, 14:10 which is serious, which actually I asked my dad this the other day and I want to see 14:15 how he answers it to you because I was really surprised by the answer, like really surprised. 14:19 And so this is my gift to you, this question, which is, what is your first memory, dad? 14:26 Ah, beautiful. 14:28 And I really want to know what he answers to you, because I was like, wow, that's great. 14:33 What a great question to ask someone. I think your dad will be very happy that we talked, 14:38 because I hope he feels like I've gotten some good advice. 14:41 I love that you asked me. I feel very honored. Like, seriously, I feel very, 14:46 very, very honoured that you asked me, because let's face it, you could have asked anyone 14:49 to ask Paul McCartney a question, and everyone would have said yes. Actually, that's amazing 14:54 you asked me, Amy, thank you. Of course. Thank you for doing it, and we'd love to 14:59 get you into the stewed. I have not had a designer, and I feel like I would... 15:03 Welcome. Okay, great. Good. 15:05 And good luck with that. I hope those questions are okay. 15:08 They're perfect. Well, much love to you, darling, and 15:11 take care. Thank you for having me. Thanks so much for doing it. Bye, Stella. Great 15:16 to see you. Thanks again. Bye. Bye honey. Thank you. 15:20 This episode is brought to you by Allstate. Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds 15:25 on car insurance. Not checking which group chat you're typing in before hitting send. 15:30 Next thing you know, you sent a scalding hot take about the restaurant to the group with 15:34 the person who picked it. Yikes. Yeah, checking first is a good idea. So check Allstate 15:39 first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with 15:44 Allstate. Potential savings vary, subject to terms, conditions, and availability. Allstate 15:48 North American Insurance Company and Affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. 15:54 Hi, Paul. Hey, Amy. 15:56 Do you get this a lot where people are kind of nervous around you and you feel the energy 16:02 and you have to figure out how to make them feel less nervous? Like that must be a thing 16:06 you're used to. Yeah. 16:08 Do you have a trick? 16:09 No, exactly, yeah. A trick, I don't know, just to kind of be normal. 16:14 I was lucky, I was one of those guys, I grew up with a kind of very normal family. 16:19 Yeah. 16:20 You know, it's one of those families where you get past the baby. 16:23 Yeah. 16:24 And so whereas I know some people when they grow up and they have a baby, they're like 16:29 really scared of it, it's like, oh no, you know, so that I think I just use that. 16:36 So funny you say that because of the many things I want to talk to you about today. 16:40 You seem very comfortable around babies. 16:42 yeah I think so because that iconic photo of you I think with Mary in your 16:48 jacket that was so ahead of its time like you a man carrying a baby you just 16:54 never saw it I mean that was just how we used to do it you know I used to go 17:00 riding with her like that yeah on the horse but she's now a mother of four 17:09 Oh, boys. 17:10 Oh, man. 17:10 She's busy. 17:11 That little baby in my jacket. 17:12 Oh. 17:13 Okay. 17:13 Well, Paul McCartney is here. 17:15 You have such a wild life and timeline that is kind of like intimidating to talk to you 17:20 for just an hour and a half. 17:21 So if you'll bear with me, I'll probably jump around a lot. 17:25 Mm-hmm. 17:25 Okay. 17:26 And the reason why is because I have this theory that you're a bit of a time traveler, 17:30 I think. 17:31 Mm-hmm. 17:32 Do you believe in time travel? 17:33 No. 17:34 Oh. 17:34 Then forget my theory. 17:36 A little bit. 17:36 I feel like sometimes I wasn't the age that I was, I felt older or younger. 17:41 You can see someone about that. 17:44 Hey me, there's people, there's people to talk to now and I kind of know what you mean. 17:52 Yeah, I mean I felt like, I feel like you're, I don't know, you seem, 17:57 you seemed when you were young that you were older, if that makes any sense. 18:03 No, it does really. 18:04 And I used to look at the lyrics of yesterday. 18:09 I'm not half the man I used to be. 18:11 Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be. 18:13 Well, I was like 21. 18:15 So half the man would put me at like about 10 and a half. 18:20 You were writing when I'm 64 when you were 20 something. 18:23 Yeah. 18:23 And you were considered retired at 27 when the beat. 18:29 Like I guess I'm interested in this idea of do you feel like you're an eight? 18:34 Do you feel like there's an age that you are? Do you feel like there's an age you feel? 18:39 I kind of, I think like a lot of people, I mean you sort of feel like you stop at about 25. 18:47 Yeah. 18:47 So I'm 25. 18:49 Yeah. 18:50 In my head. 18:51 Yeah. 18:52 You know, then I look in the mirror and go, no you're not. 18:55 Yeah, me too. 18:55 You're old. 18:57 But yeah, I like that, I mean, in the Beatles we used to have this sort of thing whenever 19:06 there was like a question about a piece of music or something to do, whether we'd go 19:11 on tour or whatever, and we couldn't figure out the answer, we'd say, what would we've 19:17 thought when we were 17? 19:20 What would that guy have said? 19:22 We're not doing it. 19:23 you know, because that guy wouldn't have let us do it. 19:26 Yeah. 19:27 And as we grow up, we kind of go, okay, we'll do it. 19:30 But it was better to listen to the 17-year-old. 19:33 Because that 17-year-old was more definitive, 19:35 like more like yes and no, like more black and white? 19:38 I think he was just more sensible 19:40 and less, you know, less jaded by the world. 19:46 Yeah. 19:47 You kind of say, that's a terrible jacket. 19:49 Yeah. 19:49 You know, whereas I would kind of, you know, later or maybe now, I'd sort of say, yeah, 19:57 it's nice jacket or lying through my teeth. 20:01 Totally. 20:02 He wouldn't do that. 20:03 You're right, because I think we give a lot of credence to the fact that when you get 20:08 older, you get very wise and you have all this experience, but you're right. 20:11 We do forget the, like, strong, truthful opinions that we have when we're young. 20:16 Yeah. 20:16 I mean, I still kind of can't believe, Paul, that the Beatles broke up when you were 27. 20:23 You were only together for eight years. 20:25 You made 13 albums. 20:27 Those numbers are just really wild. 20:31 It felt like when you were making music as a young person, it was like you knew you 20:37 were only going to be making music with this band for that long is how it felt. 20:40 Yeah, I don't think we knew it, but I think we didn't expect to go on for long, because 20:49 people didn't. 20:51 Right. 20:51 You know, in the sort of rock and roll world, it was like, you know, five years, top work. 20:59 But then after five years, it was like, oh no, we're doing Sergeant Pepper. 21:03 Yeah. 21:04 Oh, yeah, we could probably keep going. 21:06 Yeah. 21:07 And then, you know, we sort of did the white album or whatever. 21:10 Yeah. And then I did wings and kept going. 21:14 Yeah. And it is really interesting to talk to you because you're somebody that people feel like 21:21 they know a lot about. And they feel, you know, you have been in their lives in a million 21:27 different ways. I know you've been in mind my whole life. And in many ways, Paul, you kind of 21:32 of represent music, like you represent songs. 21:36 Like if songs were a person and we had to go, 21:40 if we had to go into space and we had to bring one person 21:43 to represent songs to the aliens, 21:47 we would push you to the front. 21:48 Yeah, here he is. 21:54 Well, thank you. 21:56 When are we leaving? 21:58 Yeah, exactly. 21:59 Let's go. 21:59 Okay, so I loved Morgan Neville's 22:02 Doc, man on the run. 22:04 Yeah. 22:04 A beautiful doc. 22:05 Yeah. 22:06 Did you like it? 22:07 Yeah, I do, yeah. 22:08 I mean, when he showed it to me first off, 22:13 I said, there's a few embarrassing bits. 22:16 Should we take them out? 22:17 Fun, what was embarrassing? 22:19 I didn't realize that the farm we lived on 22:22 was like so run down. 22:25 It's a tip. 22:27 You know, we were in love and we had a new baby 22:31 and it was all great and I was you know I could fix it up yeah I'll make a table 22:38 you know it was that kind of thing so I didn't notice when you see it in the 22:43 film it's like you lived there yeah and you had some money shows to live in 22:50 that so that was a little bit embarrassing sometimes I don't know about you 22:56 sometimes I don't bother to think things through too seriously. 23:02 Well, that is always what we learn about you. 23:05 There's so many things that I appreciate about you 23:07 as an artist. 23:08 One is you have a sense of humor about yourself 23:11 and your work, which is a sign not only of intelligence, 23:14 but it just, it allows us to enjoy it 23:16 in many different kinds of ways, which is so nice. 23:19 And also you really let us into your process. 23:22 You know, a lot of people like to keep people 23:25 out of process because it keeps them mysterious or something and I always felt like watching 23:31 you work made me feel like I could write a song. It always made me feel connected to music. 23:38 And that documentary does that. It shows process. Peter Jackson's documentary, like the idea of 23:43 process. And I love what you say about your work when asked if you were a workaholic or you 23:49 consider yourself one. You say, well, you don't work music. What do you say when 23:53 Yeah, that's right. You know, people say, you work a lot. You know, you're always working. 23:59 I'm not, you know, and I thought one day we don't work music, we play music. So I'm like a player 24:07 holic. I'm definitely addicted to that. Yeah. You know, because I'm sure it's the same for you. 24:15 I feel very lucky that this is my job. Yes. You know, because 24:20 when I left school, my first job was coil winding in a factory. 24:28 Okay, that sounds hot and hard. 24:31 So what did you have to do? 24:34 I was rugged. 24:36 What did you have to do? 24:38 Literally wind coil? 24:40 Yeah. 24:40 So you have a big wheel with coil wire on it, 24:47 It comes through your legs and you put it on like an armature thing and keep winding it. 24:56 It's like a thing they have in motors and mine weren't very good, you know, but the 25:03 idea was they were going to take me through all the things and then I'd be manager. 25:08 Well one day John and George showed up and one of the guys in the factory said there's 25:16 some guys out there, you know, want to see you like, you know. 25:19 So I went out and they said, we've got a gig. 25:23 We've got a gig at the cabin. 25:25 Yeah. 25:25 So I said, let me think about it. 25:28 He looked at the coils. 25:30 I looked at the coils. 25:31 I looked at the pay packet. 25:34 Yeah. 25:34 Seven pounds, 15 a week. 25:38 And I can't believe I actually questioned it, 25:41 but I did. 25:42 I said, I'll get back to you. 25:44 And yeah, and I did, and gave up a career in coil winding management. 25:52 You would have been the coil winding representative that we showed to the aliens if you had stuck with it. 25:58 Coil winding king. 25:59 George was how many years younger than you, Paul? 26:02 I think like about one and a half, and I was one and a half years younger than John. 26:07 Yeah. Did you feel, I mean, when you're, when we're older, that means nothing, 26:12 But when we're young, it's really important. 26:15 Did you feel like the middle child or the younger brother to John? 26:19 Did George feel like a younger brother to you? 26:21 Yeah, I thought of George as younger. 26:24 But he was so cocky. 26:27 Yeah. 26:28 He was, you know, you couldn't put George down. 26:31 So he made himself older just by being very confident and like, you know. 26:36 Who was the tallest? 26:38 We were all the same height. 26:40 I know. 26:40 You know I've got a thing about that, do you? 26:44 No, well tell me more. 26:45 Oh my God. 26:47 Well we were all the same height and Ringo was a bit smaller. 26:50 Sure. 26:51 And if you look at photos, we're all the same height. 26:55 But Sam Taylor Wood did a film called No Word Boy 27:01 and the John character who she later married, Aaron. 27:05 Right, right, Aaron Taylor Johnson. 27:07 Yeah. He's bigger than me in the film. My character is kind of wimpy. Smaller than John. 27:20 John knocks me to the floor. It's like, Sam, this is not true. And her only explanation, 27:30 bless her, because she's still a good friend, you know. She said, this is a movie, 27:36 It's not a documentary. 27:38 I thought, hmm, well, I don't like that explanation. 27:43 Well, I couldn't do anything because by now she'd made the film. 27:48 And there was I little Paul, you know, John the Great Big Hero. 27:54 And it's like, no. It's not true. 27:56 I can't imagine what it's like to have people play you. 27:59 I mean, it must be so strange. 28:00 I mean, it's happening again. 28:01 There's another film, Paul the Great. 28:03 Paul Meskul is playing you based on your life, obviously not taken directly from your life, 28:09 but it must be strange to have people play you. Yeah, it is. And guess what? He's smaller than the 28:18 guy who plays John. Sam Mendes is making the film. I said, Sam, I've got just one thing I need to 28:31 He says to you, you know, balls are a bit small, at least. 28:36 So I don't know how Sam's going to deal with it, 28:39 but he sent me a picture still 28:42 from the filming they were doing 28:44 and they're crossing the Abbey Road crossing. 28:47 Yeah, I saw that too. 28:49 The pole character is markedly smaller. 28:53 And you can't put lifts on that bare feet. 28:56 No, that's true, maybe that's what it was. 28:58 So I said, I texted him, Sam, smaller, don't do this. 29:04 You said you wouldn't do it. 29:06 He said, no, it's okay. 29:08 It's just a stride pattern. 29:09 And he said another one word. 29:11 He's gonna smush him. 29:12 They were equal. 29:14 But I guess the way in which you guys laughed 29:18 at your competitive nature, as Americans especially, 29:23 we love because we love, that's what families do, 29:26 I guess is what I'm trying to say. 29:27 is families tease and they can kind of come at each other 29:32 in ways that other people can't. 29:34 And that always felt like the relationship you had 29:36 with all of, and that you have with them still. 29:40 Yeah, you know, the good thing was we grew up together. 29:45 So there was like a family aspect. 29:48 Me and George went to the same school. 29:51 Yeah. 29:51 And I'm, John went to the art college next door. 29:54 So we're all kind of, and you know, it took years for us to kind of get any fame. 30:01 So we were out in Hamburg, schlepping around, playing, you know, not very nice little clubs. 30:12 We enjoyed it because we were young kids in Hamburg, you know, this, wow, 30:17 we'd never been abroad before, you know, so that was like. 30:21 but yeah so that that when you know each other that well and we've been together 30:28 that long it does become like a family so then that finds its way into your 30:35 writing and your work that I can tell what he's thinking or I can tell him 30:41 that I didn't like that line yeah or he can tell me that sucks and so that's 30:49 very good as you know for writing. 30:52 Well, and we're back to that 17 year old 30:54 like very blunt way of saying, this is good, this is bad, 30:58 you shouldn't wear that, like all that stuff. 31:00 I mean, and I'm sure you know that 31:03 as you get any level of success, 31:05 sometimes people are afraid to give you real feedback. 31:08 Yeah, that's a danger now, you know, 31:10 people all say to me when I'm working with a producer, 31:13 you say, does he tell you if it's no good? 31:17 Yeah. 31:18 And I'm not sure. 31:21 Right. 31:21 How could you know? 31:22 Maybe it doesn't. 31:25 I know. 31:26 I think you find people who will tell you and stuff. 31:31 But it must be hard for them. 31:33 Yeah. 31:33 You know. 31:34 I think so. 31:35 You've got such a reputation. 31:37 Uh-huh. 31:38 Right. 31:39 You know, to tell you a joke isn't funny would scare me. 31:44 It should. 31:44 Good. 31:45 It should. 31:46 Good. 31:47 That wasn't funny. 31:50 Yeah. 31:50 It should. 31:51 Yeah. 31:52 Yeah, I know what you mean, but you know what, I'm always so impressed by so many things 31:58 that you do, Paul, but one of them is the idea of continuing on to the next. 32:04 What is the next adventure? 32:08 You're always looking creatively, especially, for ways to just continue to be inspired 32:13 and to continue to work together, you have a new record, Boys of Dungeon Lane. 32:17 You want to hear about it? Yeah, I do. I'm fascinated by your process 32:20 of how you make music, how you write songs. I think the good thing is I'm fascinated too. 32:26 I don't know. I do a class in my old school that me and George went to in Liverpool. 32:33 It's called Lippa and I go there every year and do a class with the songwriting students. 32:42 And the first thing I say to them when they come in one-on-one, so it's terrifying for 32:48 them. 32:49 Yes. 32:50 Oh, they come in one-on-one. 32:51 They come in one-on-one with a guitar, or a little piece of... 32:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 32:57 Yeah. 32:58 And I say, I say, come and sit down, I say, I'm going to say this, I don't know 33:02 how to do this. 33:03 You know, I know I'm teaching you, I have no idea how you do it, because your song 33:10 going to be different from mine and stuff then we work it through and they'll play me one of their 33:15 songs and then I will sort of say that's very good or how about that second verse maybe good as an 33:26 opening verse because I think it's a bit stronger so I just take them through sort of gentle hints 33:33 well mainly there by the time they get to me that they're pretty good you know they've done 33:37 three years. And I don't know how to do it. That's the point. And I don't want to know. 33:46 I always just sit down with a guitar or at the piano and just start plonking something. And 33:56 if I find something that sounds good, I just follow that. 34:01 Yeah, that's not bad. Where could it go next? Well, it could stay there. You know, all that stuff. 34:09 Yeah. And then you learn in yourself. The natural thing to do is you move through the chords. 34:17 Yeah. 34:20 You know, or you can tell yourself, no, don't move. Stay there. You know. 34:30 And there's all sorts of tricks that you can use, and there's so many little tricks like 34:37 that, it just makes it fun for me. 34:41 And then if you get a good opening line, that's a great thing, because you kind of then know 34:49 where you're going, you know. 34:50 And on Dungeon Lane, there's a song called Days We Left Behind, which is special for me. 35:00 And I knew I had had something when I... 35:07 It was looking back. I'm thinking about looking back at photographs of the past. 35:13 So you could say looking back at black and white photos. 35:17 But I knew it was good when I said it, he said it modestly. 35:22 I said, looking back at white and black. 35:26 So I just, the fact that I'd switched, 35:28 it was not a black and white photo anymore, 35:31 it's a white and black. 35:32 So obviously it rhymes. 35:35 So looking back at a white and black, 35:37 remind us of the past or whatever, 35:39 I just thought, oh, okay. 35:41 So you're looking at photos and you go there, 35:47 Just, let's see what you remember, you know, and it's nice, I have a lot of good memories. 35:56 When you hear a song that you've written, you've written so many, do you remember the 36:01 making of that song when you hear it? 36:03 Do you remember the writing of it? 36:04 Do you know it like? 36:05 Yeah. 36:07 A lot of the time I do, yeah. 36:09 The process of making it when you hear it? 36:11 A lot of the time. 36:14 Sometimes though it is crazy because they have a Beatles channel on Sirius and if I'm 36:25 hiring a car, my driver will like he knows to have it on, but normally it's quite quiet 36:42 so you can talk and things, and then I'll hear something." And say, oh, wait a minute, turn 36:46 this one up. And talking about remembering right in the song, he turned one up because I couldn't 36:53 remember what the title was. I thought, what's this one? And then he played, I couldn't even 36:59 remember the song. It had just come and gone so fast. So yeah, I don't always remember them, 37:07 But a lot of them I do, I have pretty strong memories of, you know, like Mollick and Tyre, 37:18 a wing song that was very successful, bagpipe. 37:23 I loved seeing that in the doc, making that, like, watching you make that song. 37:29 and also in the doc learning about how wings came together 37:35 and your intention behind bringing people together, 37:39 which was really interesting. 37:40 And for me, it was the first time I heard you speak 37:43 about how important it was for you to feel 37:46 like part of a group. 37:47 Like you like being around people 37:49 and you like being part of a group, an ensemble. 37:53 What do you like about it? 37:55 Um, just the companionship, just the friendship, uh, and the other opinion. 38:01 Yeah. 38:02 You know, having another opinion in the room, kind of another, uh, I like that. 38:07 Um, I mainly just playing together. 38:11 Yeah. 38:11 You know, it's like kids in kindergarten. 38:13 Yeah. 38:14 The play, the word play is back again. 38:16 Like, do you have a pre-show ritual? 38:18 Do you do anything always? 38:19 Like, do you not eat two hours before the show? 38:23 Do you have a superstition? 38:28 Not really. 38:29 I do have a ritual. 38:31 What is it? 38:32 Would you tell us what it is? 38:33 What is it? 38:34 Okay, yeah. 38:35 Okay, here we go. 38:35 Well, I don't eat. 38:37 You know, I have, like, lunch. 38:38 Let's even back up further. 38:40 What time are you going to bed? 38:41 The night before. 38:42 The night before? 38:44 I don't know. 38:45 Random. 38:45 It doesn't matter. 38:47 You musicians with your bedtime. 38:49 I know, but it's just a crazy bunch. 38:50 Just a crazy bunch. 38:52 No, I don't, I don't think about that. That's normally, I mean, it's normally not too late. 38:56 Okay. It's not too crazy. Probably if it was 38:58 six in the morning or we'd gone right through, I probably would worry a bit. 39:02 Yeah. But no, it's just kind of normal by the time I think. 39:05 Okay, then. And yeah, I get up, I just have my breakfast. 39:11 What's your breakfast? Breakfast. 39:13 How do you take your tea? 39:14 It is, it's really kind of boring because it's always the same. It's like cereal. 39:20 Mm-hmm. 39:20 A bit of cereal, not too much, just a little bit. 39:25 And then... 39:29 Berries. 39:29 Yeah, that's the superfood. 39:32 Berries. 39:32 You've got to bury it up. 39:33 Five raspberries. 39:35 Wow. 39:36 Got to be five. 39:37 Looks good. 39:38 Don't, don't, don't, don't. 39:39 Don't fall in the middle. 39:40 A handful of blueberries. 39:44 Oh, yeah. 39:44 The blueberries are just real milly. 39:47 Choc-a-min. 39:49 And the strawberry, which I cut up. 39:52 Uh-huh. 39:53 Meditative. 39:55 Are we really doing this? 39:57 We are. 39:58 We're going to do another hour of this. 39:59 This is great recipe. 40:01 Breakfast. 40:02 Do you take coffee or tea? 40:03 No. 40:04 In the morning, it's just water. 40:08 No caffeine? 40:10 No, I'm not a big coffee person. 40:13 Really? 40:13 Yeah. 40:14 No, I'm English. 40:15 But the tea all day long. 40:17 I love people, you know, my kids drink coffee quite a lot. 40:22 I will have like one coffee in the middle of the day, 40:26 sometime, often. 40:29 Yeah, so that's my breakfast. 40:30 Add a few pecans and a few raisins. 40:33 If you want to party. 40:35 Yeah. 40:37 And then there's a very specific lunch. 40:40 Okay, let's hear it. 40:42 It's a gig lunch. 40:43 Oh, a gig, oh yeah, a gig lunch. 40:45 No, it's gig day lunch. 40:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 40:47 For me. 40:47 Yeah. 40:48 Well, because, I mean, being on stage, I mean, I've talked to a lot of performers who just 40:54 being in front of an audience is so physical. 40:57 And you have been on stage for most of your adult life in all different stages with different 41:03 types of people and in different shows. 41:05 What is, what's the thing now that you're loving about being on stage? 41:09 Like what, what does it look like to be on stage now? 41:12 I mean, for example, we've got like Bruce still doing three hour shows. 41:15 We have Taylor Swift doing three-hour shows. 41:17 Like, a lot of expectation for people to do long shows. 41:21 I know. I blame him. 41:24 I've told him. 41:25 I said, it's your bloody fault, mate. 41:27 I know. 41:28 He used to do, like, an hour. 41:29 Yeah. 41:30 Stones still do something like an hour or so. 41:33 Yeah. 41:34 In old school. 41:35 Yeah. 41:35 But, um, no. 41:37 Bruce just suddenly doing these three, four-hour things. 41:41 So, that's what we do. 41:42 You do. I know. 41:43 You know what I love though, the audience, that's what it's all about. 41:50 My audiences, touch wood, are very loving, it's so warm, they're just so cool. 42:01 And all ages, that's the amazing thing, I always expected them to be my age or slightly 42:10 younger or whatever, but it's all like that. There's a lot of young kids. Yeah. Well, you're every 42:17 favorite artist's favorite artist. Wow. You are. And is there any music right now that you listen to 42:25 and you think, wish I wrote that? No. Very good. Not really. There are some people I think are 42:37 really good. You know like Billie Eilish I think is cool but I don't think I want to have written 42:45 her songs. Right. And also a lot of songs these days are breakup songs. Yeah. And I'm married. 42:53 Right. You're in love with a beautiful woman and you're in love with a beautiful woman and 42:59 you have a fantastic breakfast? 43:03 Yeah. Yeah. 43:06 That's true. No. So no, I don't think there, there used to be 43:13 songs like I used to want to have written one of Billy Joel's 43:18 songs the way you are. Yeah. I always thought that was like 43:22 kind of thing I could have written. Yeah. I think that's 43:25 a nice song. Nowadays it's, I'll tell you what, some of them are like very banal. Yeah. 43:38 I want you. I want it. This could be a hit. And then you got, but you then you got to 43:50 do the moves. You got to do the TikTok dance with it. Yeah. Yeah. This from the, this from 43:58 the man that gave us, she loves you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I mean, Dothbert 44:04 Test. Um, I bet you've been able to collaborate with mostly everybody that you've wanted 44:10 to collaborate at some point. Is there anybody that you still wish to collaborate 44:14 with? No, I ask this question and I always think Bob Dylan. Yeah. But I'm too nervous. 44:23 Yeah. To ring him up. Bob. It's Paul. Yeah. I can't even picture him being on the telephone, 44:34 Bob. No. I can't actually picture him using. No, he's in some bush somewhere. Yeah, he's in some bush. Exactly. He's writing in a journal. 44:40 I'm in a sleeping bag, maybe. 44:43 Yes, yes. 44:44 Yeah. 44:45 Who was the first famous person that you met? 44:49 First famous person. 44:50 When you were young, starting out, who was, you know, remember, did you meet someone who 44:55 you wanted their autograph for? 44:56 You were blown away that you knew that they were a famous person? 44:59 The queen. 45:00 Well. 45:02 And that's an autograph you're not going to get. 45:06 Now, she's great. 45:07 I love the queen. 45:08 I love the queen, too. 45:09 I really well you know what happened was she was crowned she's a doll she was crowned 45:20 when I was 11 so and she's a babe yeah you know when I was 11 she's like 23 or something you know 45:31 so we all used to think wow this is amazing you know like yeah you know I've been a king 45:36 because she's got this girl, this babe. 45:40 So we kind of liked her in other ways 45:44 than we shouldn't have liked her, if you know what I mean. 45:47 Right, right. 45:47 So yeah, so meeting her was special. 45:51 How old were you when you met her? 45:53 Probably about 21 or something. 45:55 Yeah, wow. 45:57 Nancy, my wife, now she says she fancy do. 46:01 Now there's no knowing if there's any truth to that. 46:04 But let's just say it's true. 46:07 I like to think it's true. 46:09 And I think she would, not to speak for the queen, but I will. 46:13 I would think she would enjoy Nancy saying that. 46:16 I think she would get a laugh out of that. 46:19 She would enjoy that. 46:20 Well, she was a laugh. 46:21 That's one of the things I liked about her. 46:24 She was a good sense of humor. 46:27 And yeah, I was very happy that sometimes you don't get the queen 46:33 if you're getting an honor, like you're getting a knighthood. 46:36 You don't always get the queen. 46:38 I was very lucky, I got the queen all the time. 46:41 And she made sure she was there. 46:43 Wow, well that's what Nancy would say. 46:45 She looked at her, she looked at Nancy's nose. 46:48 She looked at her planner and she was like, 46:50 mm-hmm, two o'clock. 46:51 I'm gonna make myself available. 46:53 I'll do him. 46:55 I'm gonna put the sword, I'll do the sword thing. 46:57 That's what she said. 46:58 The sword was Edward the Confessor. 47:01 The name of the sword? 47:03 Yeah, I mean, British history. 47:05 There was a king called Edward the Confessor. 47:09 Wow. 47:10 At least it wasn't Ethelred the Unready. 47:14 But talk about, again, like time travel, 47:16 which you don't believe in, but I believe in for you. 47:19 But you're 21, you meet the queen, just speed, 47:23 you know, however many years later, 47:24 and you're getting knighted by her. 47:27 Such a wild life, Paul. 47:29 Yeah, I know. 47:29 I know. 47:30 No. No, really. 47:32 Wow. 47:33 And believe me, I agree with that. 47:36 Yeah. 47:37 I mean, life itself anyway for most people is wild. 47:41 Yes, life is wild no matter what. 47:43 My particular kind of life has been very wild to this point and continues to be wild. 47:50 Look at me here. 47:50 Yeah. 47:51 I'm doing your show. 47:52 It's like the queen. 47:53 It's like being with the queen. 47:56 It's not quite queen level. 47:58 No, not quite yet. 47:59 Not quite. 48:00 It's very impressive. 48:08 This episode is brought to you by PayPal. 48:10 Shine at gift giving this year by Planning Ahead. 48:13 Shop your favorite online stores with PayPal this holiday, 48:16 like Sephora for gift sets, Target for Toys & Electronics, 48:20 and TikTok Shop for fashion, apparel, and gadgets. 48:24 Check out with the flexibility to pay now or pay later 48:26 and split your payments with pay in four 48:29 with no interest, no late fees. 48:31 Shop now with PayPal. 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How you doing and they got talking and 51:38 So we met her and and Chris he 51:41 She stopped being so moody and just talked to us and we had a lot of stuff in common. 51:48 She's like a crazy vegetarian. 51:52 Yes. 51:52 So we had that in common and Linda was very outspoken on that subject. 52:01 So the point were if it hadn't been her it would have been embarrassing, you know, if 52:10 if you're at a dinner party and someone's eating meat, 52:13 she would like give them trouble over it. 52:17 You know what you're eating? 52:19 You know what, oh no, you know what? 52:22 Well, it's mommy loved it. 52:25 Yeah, ahead of her time, 52:28 a very ahead, you were both ahead of- 52:31 She had this kind of Disney-esque view of animals. 52:37 So, if we saw like a frog in a garden or something, she'd pick it up and you know, 52:44 there's not every girl would. Yeah. You know, she'd pick it up and the way, 52:49 get emotional, but the way she would hold it, it wouldn't hurt it. And yeah, and she would 53:06 say, you know, it's mommy loved it and even it's a frog. It's like a Disney frog to her. 53:13 I loved learning more about you and Linda in that documentary. I loved watching you 53:18 to work together and be together. It was really a testament to just what respectful, beautiful, 53:26 mutual love looks like. Yeah. She was, she was something else. Yeah. A tough, tough lady. Yeah. 53:36 Look, I have good hanged tissues. A good thank you, ma'am. Yeah. 53:41 I want to talk about your family life and just how family is important to you, because I 53:48 have the pleasure and privilege of getting to know some of your family. But as we move off the 53:53 Beatles, although we never will, but as we move off the Beatles for this conversation, 53:59 what is your relationship now like with George and John and Ringo? Some are here, some are not, 54:07 but relationships, as we know with Linda, like people that with your mom, people that you 54:12 lose, they're always with you, they just your relationship changes with them. What is your 54:16 relationship now like with those men? I'm a fan you know and more we go on I'm a 54:24 bigger fan I'm like a Beatles fan you know just cuz like I say you know I'll 54:31 just hear something that we did and I'll remember writing it with John and 54:38 think wow I was really lucky you know this is amazing I'm sitting down with 54:43 writing with someone and he happens to be John Lennon and I think the same for 54:49 him with me he's sitting down and the guy who's talking about his work is me so 54:58 yeah so I'm a fan and you know I think I'd become more of a fan the more I 55:07 think about them. And yeah, you know, George, for instance, how I met George was on the 55:15 school bus. I used to get on one stop. These big double-decker green buses. It was about 55:24 a half-hour journey from where we lived to the school. So I would get on at one stop 55:30 and then at the next stop, George would get on. And we wore the same school uniform. 55:35 so we kind of could relate some way. 55:38 And sometimes we sit next to each other 55:42 and we talk about guitars and rock and roll. 55:45 It's in one of the songs on the Dungeon Lane album, actually. 55:49 Oh, really? 55:49 Yeah, there's one song called Down South 55:52 and it's about how we met on the school bus. 55:58 And we talked about rock and roll and guitars 56:01 and all that sort of stuff. 56:02 so that was great you know we became friends over that and then when we were 56:10 looking for another guitar player John was kind of interested in getting another 56:14 guy in I put George up I sort of said I got this little mate you know he's 56:20 little he wasn't physically little but he's young you know that could be a 56:26 problem. But it wasn't a problem. And he played great guitar. John was so impressed and so George 56:34 joins the group. So that was that period. But then looking at George's life, and how he grew, 56:41 and my gosh, you know, how he became spiritual, it was pretty amazing. 56:50 Do you have a spiritual practice, Paul? Do you feel like you're a spiritual person? 56:54 I don't have like a practice so much I meditate and now I sort of believe in her in a power 57:03 I don't know what he or she is well I know there's something there and I'd feel and I 57:13 often do that thing you know the secret oh yeah I got really into that for a minute yeah 57:19 Well, I'm still into it. 57:21 You probably were on my vision board, 57:24 and here I am talking to you. 57:25 I just know the simple version. 57:28 Yeah, yeah. 57:28 But Paul, we feel that in your art, 57:30 like the idea that you're tuning into a channel, 57:33 like an open channel, and it's not optimism, 57:35 which kind of flattens it out. 57:37 It's just the idea of like, there's possibilities. 57:40 You gotta keep yourself open to possibilities. 57:42 I feel that way when you talk about your work, 57:45 and I do feel that way 57:45 when you talk about your family. 57:47 Like, family was so important to you, building one, 57:52 whether it be with the people you're playing with, 57:54 with the people in your life. 57:56 Like, I love that you've led us into how the, 58:01 you know, you believe in love. 58:03 Like, you do believe in love and you can tell 58:09 by how you live your life. 58:11 And congratulations to you and Linda 58:13 for raising great kids. 58:14 really talented, kind, funny kids. 58:20 Really great children. 58:21 Thank you, yeah, no, they are great, you know. 58:24 It's important to me, and the thing is, 58:27 you know, I'm not really that different from a lot of dads. 58:31 There's a lot of people out there. 58:33 I mean, okay, there's the people. 58:36 But you also choose very strong women. 58:38 Yeah, that's true. 58:40 You like strong independent women. 58:42 That's not always the case with men 58:44 that are as successful and talented and powerful as yourself, that's not always the case. Sometimes 58:49 they don't like to be challenged in that way. It's funny, I don't think of it like that, 58:55 but it is true. Yeah, I like someone who's got a strong opinion. Well, we spoke to somebody 59:03 who has a strong opinion because we always do this thing on our podcast where we speak to 59:07 somebody who knows our guest 59:10 and who wants to give me a question to ask my guest. 59:15 And we could have spoken to so many people 59:17 but I really wanted to speak to Stella. 59:20 Oh yeah. 59:21 Tell us about Stella. 59:22 Stella's a pistol. 59:24 She is. 59:25 Linda had Mary. 59:26 Yeah. 59:27 And that was straightforward. 59:29 And so then Linda was pregnant again with Stella 59:33 and went to the hospital for to be born and then suddenly there was like a thing 59:42 going on where the doctors say it's a thing called placenta previa oh yes of 59:50 course you know about it can be very dangerous the doctor said so we're 59:54 gonna have to do a C-section you know cesarean so he's like oh okay so he did 60:00 it and it was successful and it worked but it meant that Stella had to be in an incubator 60:08 and she was little and so I would go down a couple of floors to where the incubator unit 60:14 was and I would see our baby and then go back up and report to Linda you know and it was 60:24 amazing because so Stella did a little movement and it was exactly like Linda 60:33 but she didn't know Linda yet. Yeah wild. She hadn't she hadn't learned any 60:40 tricks so it was really just you know a natural thing so I got running back up 60:45 so Stella just did that thing and I know that thing from you. Yeah. So so 60:51 And so Stella, we talk about it quite a bit though. 60:54 Well, Stella's question for me to ask you, 60:58 which is amazing that you're telling this story, Paul, 61:00 because she said, ask my dad what his first memory was. 61:07 We spoke about it the other day 61:08 and he remembered his first memory 61:11 because Stella shared that she thinks 61:14 one of her first memories was being in an incubator. 61:18 Yeah. 61:19 She can feel like, and I know a lot of people have memories of when they were born, or feel 61:25 like they do. 61:26 And how you come into the world can really, in some ways, define your life's path. 61:31 You can become like a fighter or a survivor, or you want to be more sleepy and peaceful, 61:37 whatever is the way that you come into the world. 61:39 But she shared that as her first memory. 61:42 And the question she wanted me to ask you was, what was yours? 61:45 Yeah. 61:46 Yeah, you know, these things you don't know if you've made it up or if you've said, but 61:52 I have this feeling that I can remember being born. 61:57 I was born in a place in Liverpool called Walton Hospital, which was a real old Victorian 62:02 thing. 62:04 I think it had been something else before a hospital. 62:06 little. So I kind of remember white tiles, very sort of hygienic white tiles and chrome 62:18 instruments and clanging, because I was a forceps birth. They had to pull me out. 62:26 Me too. I was a forceps birth. Were you? 62:28 Yep. I had dents in my head. Give it up for forceps people. 62:32 Yeah. They had to yank me out. I wouldn't come out. 62:35 Yeah, it was too good in there. 62:38 You know, this is okay. 62:39 I'm getting fed. 62:40 Totally. 62:41 And then all of a sudden something came in there and clamped your head and yanked you out. 62:49 I came. 62:50 Wow. 62:50 I loved that you were too. 62:52 Yeah, I was. 62:53 Yeah, so I sort of think I remember that. 62:56 How funny. 62:58 I don't know if it's true. 62:59 The other question that she had was, what is Monk Berry Moon Delight? 63:03 And have you smoked it? 63:06 And what were you on when you wrote that song? 63:10 I probably was on something that I smoked. 63:14 But now, when the kids were little, you know how kids don't always, can't pronounce certain words? 63:22 Well, the word for milk was monk. 63:27 You know, can I have, can I have daddy can have some monk? 63:31 that was milk. So I was thinking of a milkshake. So it was like milk, berry, monk berry, moon. 63:42 So it's the name of a milkshake in my head. You know, I just imagined it that and then 63:48 I just flew off on one because the lyrics are crazy great. 63:54 Yeah, they're great lyrics. 63:57 There was I with a piano up my nose. 64:00 Soup puree. 64:02 Soup and puree. 64:03 Yeah, soup and puree. 64:04 Cats and kittens. 64:06 Don't get left behind. 64:08 Yes. 64:09 Catch up, catch up. 64:10 I love catch up. 64:11 I know it's just like a lot of word playing stuff, 64:14 but I look back on that kind of song and think, 64:18 I wish I wrote there was now. 64:21 You know, I think it was just a zany period. 64:23 Yeah, but that's what it was in my mind. It's actually a milkshake. 64:30 So the last section I want to talk to you about is your connection to SNL. Because of the many 64:38 things that you entered in my life, I mean, you were also connected to the show, one of the 64:46 shows that shaped my life. When I was learning what I wanted to do with my life, you know, 64:53 And the fact that you and Lorne and just the Beatles, 64:58 like they always felt like they were, 64:59 it felt like you guys were hanging around all the time 65:01 and you do go to the show quite a bit 65:04 and you've been on the show quite a bit. 65:06 And I mean, there's just so many incredible moments 65:10 on that show. 65:11 I mean, when I was preparing for this interview, 65:13 I was thinking about the Chris Farley moment, 65:16 which no one's seen. 65:17 It's incredible sketch where Chris Farley is interviewing 65:19 you and he does what I'm sure most people do is he just tells you what you've done. 65:28 He's so good, wasn't he? I think the first time I was introduced to him was John who was living in 65:34 New York and who loved SNL and it was around that time when Lorne had come on and offered us 65:43 3,000 dollars to perform, because everyone was offering million to get back together. 65:51 And he holds up a check. 65:52 And he's got a little check from everybody. 65:54 Which apparently was what they would have paid us NBC. 65:59 And I love, you've spoken on this, that you all considered it for a second. 66:04 I mean, you were in New York, your wings was performing. 66:06 Just me and John were at his place in New York. 66:10 And he said, if you've seen this show, I said, no. 66:14 He said, well, this guy comes on, he's offering us. 66:19 And John said, we should go down now. 66:22 Cause it was on live and he said, go and surprise him. 66:27 So for a second we were going to do that. 66:30 But then it was like, no, it's much too comfortable here. 66:34 Let's just watch it. 66:35 Yeah, it's 1130. 66:36 We watched it. 66:37 But I think that was the first time I'd seen the show and then sort of realized why everyone 66:47 was massive fans of it and why it was such an American institution. I mean, I love being included 66:54 in sketches. I like doing the music. Be careful saying that because they're going to keep writing 66:59 you in. I don't mind. You like it. I was like a garage guy, a mechanic. The last one I did 67:10 with Marcelo and Will Ferrell. What was it like working with Marcelo? Just kidding. 67:18 And then Yoga Boys. Also the one I did with Marty Shaw. Oh Marty. Marty Shaw. He's so great. 67:25 He's so great. 67:27 We were actually here ago. 67:29 We were actually having dinner. 67:32 It was me, Lorne, Jimmy Fallon, and Martin 67:38 was going to come to dinner with us, but he was late. 67:42 So we're all sitting there the thing, 67:44 and the restaurant's crowded. 67:46 And then Martin comes in from left, 67:49 and he's walking through, and he's pretending 67:52 he doesn't know where we are. 67:54 He's seen us, and he's gone, oh, excuse me, oh, sorry. 68:00 And he's bumping into tables, 68:02 and he's doing that whole bit of his, you know. 68:05 Oh, there you are. 68:07 So funny. 68:08 Hysterical. Hysterical. 68:10 Okay, quick, rapid fire, 68:11 we're gonna get you out of here. 68:12 Okay, so rapid fire time, best decade for music. 68:16 Sex use. 68:16 If you were an animal, what animal would you be? 68:19 Horse. 68:20 Why? 68:21 Because I love horses. 68:22 Do you think you've lived before? 68:25 Possibly. 68:26 And who were you? 68:27 I mean, King Essel, the Unready are. 68:34 Do you have a favorite song you've ever written? 68:37 Yeah, here, there and everywhere. 68:39 I like that song. 68:42 Okay. Nancy's favorite song of yours? 68:46 Days were left behind of the new album. 68:48 Fantastic. 68:49 Last concert you went to? 68:51 I think it was Brandy Carlisle. 68:54 She was in here. How talented is she? 68:57 Yeah. She's a very nice girl, too. 69:01 There just must be a feeling when you meet songwriters, right? 69:05 There just must be a feeling of like, oh, we know each other. 69:07 We know how to do this. 69:09 Yeah. 69:09 Even though we don't know how to do it, but we've done it. 69:13 Yeah, we've done it. 69:14 I mean, I felt that we, even when I watched Get Back, 69:17 and when I was watching you write that song, for example, 69:22 and the process of writing it and being together, 69:26 and you were doing, to me, what looked like 69:28 what we would do in a comedy writer's room, 69:31 which is you work a little bit 69:32 and then you fuck around a lot, 69:34 because you can only kind of like 69:36 think of something original for a few minutes 69:38 and then you have to like play other people's songs 69:40 and like goof around. 69:42 I mean, you were doing bits basically with each other. 69:44 That was the way to get offline 69:46 to get back into like your creative space and it was it was like a process that felt like oh this 69:51 is what process looks like. Yeah that's what we've been mates for years so you know you goof around 69:59 John would pick up something you know I remember she came in through the bathroom window one of 70:05 my songs and I'm Tuesdays on Mondays on the phone to Tuesday whatever it is so Tuesdays on the 70:13 phone to me, I think was the line. So I start going, Hello, 70:17 Tuesday. Oh, darling. And then John picks it up. He's on the 70:22 piano. All right, Tuesday. And he starts doing Tuesday and we 70:26 were talking to Tuesday. So yeah, we could do that. Yeah, because 70:33 we'd we'd hung out a lot. I mean, we went hitchhiking 70:36 together and things, you know. So we would sleep together and that makes you kind of, you know, 70:45 quite intimate with each other. Yeah, well just getting to see the way you work together 70:50 feels like they're anybody who's in some kind of creative space working with somebody else. They 70:55 felt like they understood what that feeling is, like this idea that you kind of talked about 71:02 it earlier that there's just some kind of magic you're supposed to make space for and room for. 71:07 And if you're lucky, it comes in. And if you're even luckier, you get to make it. And then if 71:13 you're the luckiest, people love it. That's true. I think if you love it, people probably will. 71:20 Well, I feel like I'll end by saying, Paul, that the thing that I feel like you taught me as 71:28 an artist, knowing you for my entire life, not knowing you, but knowing your work, is 71:35 that love is really, that's the thing, like it's like, loss is inevitable, change is inevitable, 71:44 life is wild. But if you can keep kind of heading towards the love part, you're headed 71:51 in the right direction. Thank you for that. 71:53 all you need? No, I agree. It's, it's, I, you know, and, uh, yeah, I will own up to 72:01 be in a romantic. I love it. I love films where it's romantic. Yeah. I'm not a big 72:07 fan of like, uh, shoot them ups. Do you like horror movies? No. Me neither. And, 72:14 and, and, and let's take a minute. Yeah. Zombies. Forget zombies. I mean, people 72:21 love that. I've never watched not very keen. No. I've said this before, but if there was a zombie 72:28 apocalypse I would immediately just take a pill and go to sleep forever. There's no way I would ever 72:33 like fight a zombie? No. Well I'd fight it for you. Thank you Paul. 72:41 You got me so darling. Okay so what is making you laugh right now as we end? Anything? What do 72:48 What do you watch to giggle? 72:52 Yeah, films and things. 72:54 Like what? 72:55 What do you think is funny? 72:56 Well, let's watch a video together as we end. 72:58 My favorite year. 73:00 Oh, Peter O'Toole? 73:02 Yeah, I thought that was funny. 73:04 Love that movie. 73:05 I haven't seen it in so long. 73:06 No, that's what I mean. 73:07 I asked someone what their favorite film was 73:09 and they come up with that one. 73:11 Oh, I love that film. 73:12 Yeah, it's a great film. 73:14 For people who don't remember that, 73:16 that was an 80s comedy. 73:18 Oh, yeah, Peter O'Toole plays like an actor who's on a variety show, right? 73:23 Yeah, he was like a husband, but he gets drunk all the time. 73:29 That's right. 73:29 And the young guys put in charge of him. 73:32 There was a big stretch in the 80s where all the characters were really drunk. 73:37 Yeah. 73:38 Like Arthur, my favorite, there's quite a bunch where like the lead was like falling 73:44 down drunk and we were like that's hilarious okay let's watch just the 73:53 trailer of my favorite year before we end I mean this looks like Monty 74:08 Python on. Peter O'Toole passing out. God Peter O'Toole is good. Yeah. Well, Paul McCartney, 74:27 I could talk to you all day. I really, really, really appreciate you being here. It's a total 74:33 A total thrill to talk to you. 74:35 How did we do? 74:37 We did okay? 74:37 We did, I think we did great. 74:39 I mean, all right. 74:40 I enjoyed it. 74:41 All right, good. 74:44 Thanks, Paul. 74:45 Thanks for doing this. 74:46 Thanks, Amy. 74:47 Okay, you're excused. 74:51 Yes, miss. 74:53 Thank you, Paul McCartney. 74:58 I don't know what to say. 74:59 It was a complete thrill to talk to you 75:02 and what an incredible conversation and you know for this polar plunge I just I feel the need to 75:08 call my mother and tell her that I just interviewed Paul McCartney so if you will indulge me listeners 75:15 I have not told my mom or my dad that I am interviewing Paul because I can't be trusted 75:23 with that information but I'm gonna FaceTime my mom right now and see if we can get our real 75:30 time a real-time response now she tech hello hi um can you hear me yeah you're 75:42 on the in the podcast I'm doing the podcast right now so your voices are 75:48 gonna be recorded is that okay do I have your legal consent depends on how I feel 75:53 it went okay let me talk to mom okay um guess who I just interviewed mom who 76:02 would be your favorite person oh my god who is the most excited person you've 76:07 ever met when you came to SNL oh Paul McCartney I just interviewed Paul McCartney 76:15 no sir I did I just interviewed Paul McCartney your mother brags about the 76:24 she brags about the time he knocked on your door at SNL and said oh I like your 76:33 daughter he said you aim his mother that's right that's right 76:37 said oh sir Paul hello sir Paul okay mom but you know as I wrap up this this 76:44 episode what is the memory you have of like how important were the Beatles to 76:49 you? Oh it's it was unbelievable my big memory is the first time they played on 76:55 Ed Sullivan. Ed Sullivan show with a long hair. And my father said look at 77:01 those guys with that long hair. That's right. Yeah I liked them immediately. 77:06 Yeah I went to see them I think. Can you go to Inland somewhere? No that was 77:11 the Rolling Stones. No, I never saw them. You never saw them. 77:16 You just saw the Rolling Stones. Yeah. No, but he made a joke to 77:19 Eileen about, didn't I see you on the fourth row? Oh, yeah, he 77:23 said we you at the 1960. Okay, I gotta go. I got okay. I
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