Today on The Free Outside Podcast, I’m joined by the legendary Cam Hanes—bowhunter, ultrarunner, lifter of heavy things, and yes, friend of Joe Rogan. We dive into everything from Courtney Dauwalter’s mountain mindset to how Disneyland became a tactical hunting joke with a laser pointer (thanks, Joe). Cam shares his thoughts on the growing influencer side of trail running, Western States carnage, public lands politics, and what he really thinks about ultrarunning's obsession with science and splits. We talk about grit, quitting, suffering, and why lifting weights is somehow less cool than ultrarunning. Plus: what hunters and trail runners can learn from each other, and why Cam still calls himself an outsider in this space. If you're into raw takes, wild stories, and the occasional Keep Hoeing joke—this one’s for you. From the Taylor Swift of Ultrarunning, meet Cam Hanes! 🎙️ Sponsor Support: ☕ CS Coffee – Instant coffee that actually tastes good. 🎒 Garage Grown Gear – The best ultralight gear and small outdoor brands, all in one place. 👕 Janji – Adventure-ready running apparel. Use code FREEOUTSIDE for 10% off! 🎧 Episode Chapters 00:00 – Cam Hanes Intro 02:30 – Small Town Ties 05:00 – First Ultra Story 08:20 – Ranking Communities 11:30 – Courtney Dauwalter Talk 14:00 – Love the Process 18:00 – Cocodona Doubts 22:00 – Crew Tricks & COVID 25:30 – Public Lands Rant 30:30 – Rogan Disneyland Story 34:00 – Quitting vs Grit 41:00 – Jeff’s AT Record Goal 46:00 – Western States Opinions 53:00 – Hunting Misconceptions 55:45 – Final Thoughts & Goodbyes Subscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.com Support this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutside Buy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSF Email me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at
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