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I'm your host, Ashley Flowers. 0:36 And I'm Britt. 0:37 And you guys, this is a story that I've been wanting to share with you for so long. 0:41 Because, I don't know about you, but to me, some of the most mysterious cases are the ones 0:44 where a person just completely disappears without a trace. 0:47 Like, those are often the stories that I find myself thinking about 0:50 in the night when I can't sleep. 0:52 And the disappearance of Gregory Keith Mann Jr. is one of those cases. 0:57 Because this was a guy who seemingly has it all. 1:00 20 years old, new apartment, a good job, a fiance who is about to move in. 1:05 But the night before she gets there, Keith told his work friends that he had 1:10 a secret meeting just after midnight, and then he's never seen again. 1:15 Did he get cold feet and just walk away from everything? 1:19 Did something happen during that meeting? 1:21 Was the meeting even real? 1:23 And if so, who did he meet? 1:59 This case is extra sad when you realize that it was Mother's Day when Keith Mann's dad 2:05 and stepmom first realized that he was missing. 2:08 Greg and Debra were home that Sunday in 1997 when they got a call from their son's fiancee 2:14 Carrie asking if they'd seen Keith. 2:17 They haven't, not since late Friday night, at least when they were all together over 2:21 in Gainesville, Texas celebrating Carrie's graduation. 2:23 in, but they're almost certain that he got home safe because he had followed them back 2:28 to Wichita Falls in his car and he was behind them the whole way, right up until they turned 2:32 onto their street and then his apartment that he had was just like another two miles up 2:37 the road. 2:38 Carrie knows that he must have made it to the apartment because she said that she 2:43 talked to him the next day, which would have been Saturday at like 9.40 pm. 2:47 He had worked that day and he was planning to go hang out with some friends, but 2:51 She was calling from the apartment and it didn't look like Keith had even been there 2:55 at all the night before. His work clothes were on the floor, his bed didn't look slept in, 3:00 which is really worrisome because it's not like she just dropped in unannounced. 3:05 You see, the two 20-year-olds had just recently gotten engaged after 18 months of dating, 3:10 and today was the big day where Carrie was supposed to be moving in with Keith. Like, 3:15 this was planned down to the time. She told him that she'd be over at their apartment 3:19 some time between like 12 and two on Sunday. 3:22 So hearing all of this made Greg and Deborah feel uneasy 3:26 about something they saw that morning on their way to church. 3:31 You see, next door to them is another church, 3:33 not the one that they go to. 3:34 But there had been a Redford Mustang parked 3:37 in this one exact spot in the lot 3:39 that Keith used to always park in. 3:42 Now, when Deborah appears out the window, 3:44 she sees the Mustang still there, 3:47 now late into the afternoon on Sunday. 3:50 It is literally parked over the same old oil stain 3:53 from Keith's previous car, like this was his spot. 3:56 Now, this car wasn't Keith's, 3:58 but this car had dealership tags on it 4:01 and Keith had been working at Ron Robert's Ford dealership 4:05 for like the past couple of months. 4:06 And one of the perks of his job as a salesman 4:09 is that if you sell enough cars, 4:11 you get to borrow cars off the lot. 4:13 So his parents feel pretty sure 4:15 that this car was at least driven by Keith. 4:18 Right, it's in his spot. 4:20 What is super weird about this, though, is that Keith wasn't supposed to be parking 4:25 in that spot anymore. 4:27 I guess the church had gotten a new pastor recently, and he told Greg that they couldn't 4:31 park cars there because they'd been using that space for, like, a church van. 4:35 And this was, like, maybe two weeks ago, and Greg made sure that Keith knew. 4:39 So Greg and Deborah decide they need to go check this car out, see if there 4:43 There is anything in there that might suggest where Keith is. 4:47 So they walk over to the car, and when they get close, they can see that the trunk is 4:54 popped open. 4:55 Now, Greg lifts the lid, but there's nothing inside. 4:58 The only thing that seems off is that there's this, like, small panel pushed out along 5:01 the wall, but everything looks clean. 5:04 So Greg shuts the trunk and walks over to try and open the door, but all the 5:08 the doors are locked and now that he has shut the trunk, 5:11 there's no way into the car. 5:13 So he just peers in the windows, 5:15 but there's really nothing to see, 5:17 just an empty, relatively clean car. 5:21 Now they're sure that this is connected to Keith somehow, 5:24 but they wanna give it a minute 5:25 before they just jump to worst case scenario, 5:28 so they wait. 5:30 Carrie comes over, waits with them. 5:32 I mean, they all had planned to spend Mother's Day 5:34 at the family home anyway. 5:35 So if Keith had just like been out doing something, 5:37 maybe he'll come back there, but he doesn't for the rest of the day or night. And the whole time 5:43 that Mustang is still sitting in the church parking lot unmoved. So Greg calls the police station 5:49 first thing Monday morning to report his son missing. Unfortunately though, the cop who responds 5:56 doesn't seem nearly as concerned as the man's. And when they walk him to the Mustang and kind 6:01 of explain what's going on, the cop kind of just looks at the car and says, well, 6:05 Well, doesn't look like a crime scene to me. 6:08 Like Keith's young, just give him some time. 6:10 You're worrying too early. 6:13 Unsure what to do with that, 6:15 but unwilling to do nothing, 6:17 Keith's parents decide to call Keith's work. 6:19 Maybe someone at the dealership knows what's going on. 6:23 At least what's going on with the car is nothing else. 6:25 And maybe they can even get them back into the car. 6:28 Now it ends up being like a whole thing 6:29 because they have to send out a locksmith 6:30 to even get into the car. 6:32 And even then there is nothing that helps. 6:35 Nothing in the glove box or the console the only thing that doesn't belong with the car is a cassette tape like sitting in the player 6:42 Partially ejected. What was the tape? I literally asked but neither Greg nor Deborah can remember all these years later 6:48 They just recall that it was some kind of rock band something that Keith might have been into nothing 6:53 That was like a dead giveaway that it wasn't him driving if that makes sense 6:57 But there was something that seemed to be a dead giveaway 7:01 He wasn't driving when the dealership sends a salesman out to pick up the car 7:06 The guy who arrived is like oh weird. I didn't have to move the seat back 7:11 I always have to move the seat back when Keith borrows a car because at 5 7 7:16 Keith usually sat with the seat pushed up closer to the steering wheel and 7:20 Deborah says they even asked the locksmith who unlocked the car like if he 7:24 Moved the seat in any way and he said that he didn't and can the dealership actually confirmed that Keith was the one 7:30 and who borrowed the car from them? 7:32 I don't know if they have logs or anything, 7:34 but like, yes, I mean, everyone talks of him 7:36 taking the car as confirmed fact. 7:38 I just can't tell you how they confirmed it. 7:40 Because honestly, when we got the files, 7:42 we did a FOIA, we got something back, 7:45 but damn near every page was fully blacked out. 7:49 It was one of the worst. 7:50 It was one of the most outrageous 7:51 reactions I have ever seen. 7:53 Like we're still fighting it as of this recording 7:55 and it is in now the Attorney General's hands. 7:58 But anyways, that was a long answer for yes, 7:59 as he is the one who took the car from the dealership. 8:03 But there is real doubt in Greg and Deborah's minds 8:06 that Keith was the last one to drive the car. 8:09 But since the car doesn't belong to them 8:12 and police aren't opening an investigation, 8:15 the Mustang just gets taken back to the dealership 8:18 without any kind of processing or forensic analysis. 8:22 I mean, by the time the police actually decide 8:24 there's something to be suspicious about, 8:26 Like it's gonna be too late to collect anything and like a dealership. They're gonna like clean that car 8:32 Not if Greg can help it right like so the next day Tuesday the 13th 8:37 He goes down to the police station and demands that Wichita falls PD do something and that is when they first assigned someone to Keith's case 8:45 Now as far as I can tell no one goes running to the dealership asking them to preserve the car still 8:51 They don't try to get and process the car 8:54 until after it is sold. 8:57 And like, to your point, surprise, surprise, 8:58 there's nothing there. 9:00 Yeah, but the first day a detective is assigned. 9:02 They do go over to Keith's apartment to look around, 9:05 see if anything looks out of the ordinary. 9:08 Carrie's not there anymore. 9:09 Obviously this rocked her, 9:11 so she didn't want to stay there alone 9:12 and eventually she moves back home with her parents. 9:15 So the place is empty when police go scope it out, 9:18 but to them there's really nothing to see. 9:20 Like it's a little messy. 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That is all he said. Now Keith's parents told us that when Chris tried to push and ask him, 14:30 like, who are you meeting? Because who meets someone at 12.15? Right? Apparently Keith just 14:34 smiled and like shrugged his shoulders. So Chris kind of assumed that Keith was maybe like 14:40 meeting up with a girl or something. And maybe he didn't want to involve Chris and Michelle 14:44 because they now knew his fiancee that was about to move in. And at least this is what he 14:50 he thought at the time, but now he's not so sure. 14:53 Now Chris says before they dropped Keith off, 14:55 they ran by the car wash near Keith's place 14:58 to get the mud off the Nissan. 14:59 That would have been around 1130. 15:01 And then sometime between 1145 and 12, 15:03 they dropped Keith off at his apartment. 15:06 Both Chris and Michelle say that they watched Keith 15:08 walk towards his apartment, 15:09 but they didn't actually see him go in. 15:12 And that is the last time that anyone saw Keith. 15:15 So, who's the last person to see Keith that isn't Chris and Michelle? 15:20 I guess the people at the party, but this is why, like, I would love to know if they 15:25 figured out where that was, if they tracked those people down. 15:27 We don't know. 15:29 And listen, Chris acts like he's got nothing to hide. 15:31 He agrees to take a polygraph, which he passes. 15:34 Here's what I don't get, though. 15:36 Because Chris passes the poly, detectives don't feel like it's necessary to have 15:40 Michelle take a polygraph. 15:42 And listen, like, we know how reliable polygraphs are. 15:45 I wouldn't take one. 15:46 Okay, but that logic doesn't add up. 15:49 Like, you can't pass a poly for both of them. 15:52 Like, do they at least get a statement 15:53 from Michelle, like, individually? 15:56 Yes, like, probably under all the, like, 15:59 black ink in the, like, file that we got. 16:01 Great. 16:02 Regardless, detectives don't think 16:04 that Chris is suspicious. 16:05 Not then and not now. 16:07 And really, even in the early days, 16:09 neither did Keith's family. 16:10 Finally, Debra told our reporter that her initial theory was that Keith got cold feet, 16:15 like with an engagement and Carrie moving in, maybe it was just like happening too fast 16:19 for him. 16:20 So she wondered if maybe he packed up to live with his bio mom in New Mexico because he 16:25 had lived with her like until right before high school, like he only moved to Texas 16:29 because the school that his dad or like the district that his dad lived in had 16:33 like a really good baseball program. 16:35 But Greg on the other hand said that he never believed the cold feet theory 16:38 and really detectives don't either. 16:42 For one, Greg and Debra have been in touch 16:44 with Keith's mom over the years. 16:46 So they're like, no, Keith didn't turn up there. 16:49 And two, biggest one to me, 16:52 is that Keith had two commission checks 16:54 waiting for him on the Monday after he disappeared. 16:57 And he knew that they were coming 16:59 because he had just sold two cars during his last shift. 17:02 And he had money still in his bank account 17:04 that was never withdrawn. 17:06 So if you're gonna go away on your own. 17:07 money is a really helpful thing to like get you a head start right now back in 17:12 1997 detectives interviewed at least a hundred people anyone that Keith would 17:18 have crossed paths with his friends his family co-workers everyone but nothing 17:24 helpful came from it and I'm not kidding when I say nothing normally this 17:30 would be the part where I lay out all the different theories for you but there 17:34 There aren't even solid theories in this case. 17:38 There are some rumors that have swirled around town that, like, maybe Keith got involved 17:43 with the Texas-Mexican mafia, but, like, those were pretty far-fetched and never substantiated. 17:48 Other rumors centered around the idea that maybe there was some kind of, like, drug 17:52 deal gone wrong, or maybe Keith was involved in gambling. 17:55 But it doesn't seem like any of these are born from anything real. 18:00 These theories all seem to kind of come out of nowhere when people are, like, 18:02 like, I don't know what could have happened, like, what if this? 18:05 Maybe that. 18:06 Just throwing anything out there. 18:07 Yeah, because they cannot think of anything that makes any actual sense. 18:12 But here's the thing I will say about all the rumors and speculation. 18:17 A lot of them do seem to include one similar detail about the Ron Roberts dealership that 18:25 Keith worked for. 18:26 Back in 1997, they had a new location being built just up the road from Keith's apartment, 18:33 like less than a mile and a half away. 18:35 Construction was in progress when Keith went missing in May. 18:39 And something that keeps getting thrown out, something that Keith's parents do believe, 18:45 is that Keith is either buried there under concrete, or buried somewhere else under 18:52 concrete somewhere around town. 18:54 But as far as I'm aware there was no search or excavation and the dealership got built and is still there. 19:03 Okay, am I just reaching here or does it feel like something, like something has to be connected to the dealership here, right? 19:10 You have like the car, you have, he's with a friend. 19:12 Yeah. 19:13 Maybe, I mean I kind of feel the same way too, but I also know something that you don't. 19:19 one of the very few things that for some reason 19:23 wasn't redacted from the case file we got 19:26 was a mention of a recorded jail call 19:30 from a guy named Gary Price. 19:32 And this call happened 10 years after Keith went missing 19:35 in 2007. 19:37 So I don't know who this guy is, 19:39 whatever, we pulled a report on Gary. 19:41 And it turns out, you know, 19:43 you might not be surprised to learn 19:44 there are a few Gary prices out there in the world. 19:46 But there was one that stood out from the rest. 19:50 One whose former employer was Ron Roberts for dealership. 19:57 This dude has a long rap sheet. 20:00 It turns out Gary committed a couple of robberies at two different pharmacies both in and around 20:04 Wichita Falls. 20:06 But that was 20 years before Keith goes missing, like in the late 70s. 20:10 A robbery is like a snatch and grab type of thing? 20:13 Not exactly. 20:13 So according to the Times record news, 20:16 Gary held up a pharmacy clerk in Burke Burnett, Texas 20:19 in mid-September 1978. 20:21 Like he took the clerk hostage until the pharmacist arrived 20:24 and then the clerk even helped a customer 20:26 while he was there. 20:28 Once the pharmacist got there, 20:30 Gary tied them both up, 20:32 taped their mouths and robbed them. 20:34 But he was caught two hours later 20:35 in Oklahoma by highway patrol officers 20:37 with a gun, drugs, and money. 20:39 Now he was arrested, 20:40 but released shortly after, I'm assuming, 20:43 because at the beginning of January, 1979, 20:46 he robbed another pharmacy. 20:48 And after getting caught for that, 20:49 he pled guilty to aggravated robbery 20:51 and was sentenced to 15 years in prison. 20:54 But according to Wichita County Sheriff's Office 20:56 jail records, Gary was out by 1991 20:59 being arrested for possession of controlled substances. 21:03 Then he's getting arrested again in late 1995 for assault. 21:07 And literally the next day, 21:09 he is back in jail for a parole violation, but out again by mid-1996. 21:14 Now, our reporter asked Keith's parents if the name Gary Price rang a bell, 21:18 and sure enough, Deborah remembers him working at the dealership, 21:22 but she didn't know much more than that. 21:25 Detective White had confirmed for us that Gary was working as a mechanic 21:28 at Ron Roberts Ford in 1997. 21:32 He told us that Gary popped up on the detective's radar in Keith's case 21:35 because employees that worked with him had come forward saying 21:39 that they didn't think he was a very honest individual 21:42 and he had a quick temper. 21:45 And so with all the speculation and rumors 21:47 that Keith may have been involved in gambling 21:49 or like potential drugs, 21:51 Gary was someone who like fit that bill 21:53 for being involved not with him, 21:55 but like with the same things, right, same world, 21:58 which is why they wanted to go talk to him initially. 22:01 And Gary was a person of interest 22:02 in the initial investigation 22:03 and for a little while after that, 22:06 according to Detective Whitehead. 22:08 But the recorded jail call didn't happen until May 2007. 22:12 Right, and that's because at that time, 22:13 Texas Rangers were, I guess, reviewing Keith's case 22:16 and just like re-interviewing subjects. 22:19 Detective Whitehead said at one point 22:21 didn't have the exact date in their investigation. 22:24 Gary agreed to come in and take a polygraph, 22:26 but they never nailed down a time 22:29 and he never followed through. 22:30 Great. 22:30 ultimately nothing more came up in the police records about Gary that you can 22:36 see that I can see accurate but that is also what the detective said to us so I'm 22:42 assuming they never found anything that connected him to the disappearance I 22:45 guess my biggest question is did Keith actually know Gary or like was there 22:49 anything connecting them aside from both of them working at the same 22:53 dealership like at the same time Gary's a mechanic right and Keith is 22:57 selling cars, they aren't like both mechanics, 23:00 both salesmen are working side by side. 23:02 They're just like in the same general area, 23:04 like at the same time. 23:05 No, I get what you're saying. 23:06 And like when they interviewed Gary, 23:07 he said he'd seen Keith at the dealership, 23:09 but he never claimed that he hung out with him 23:12 or anything like that. 23:13 So there does not seem to be any like real connection. 23:16 So it seemed. 23:17 But either he didn't tell police everything in 2007 23:21 or what he said exactly has been lost to time 23:24 or his story has changed 23:26 because guess who we got on the phone 23:28 while reporting for this story? 23:31 Amazing. 23:32 It was not a long call, 23:34 but Gary wanted to set the record straight. 23:37 He told our reporter, Taylor Day, 23:39 that he actually left Ron Robertsford 23:42 before Keith started working there. 23:44 And he said that it was his son, Jeremy, 23:47 who knew Keith and was around his age. 23:50 Jeremy actually worked, he said, 23:51 in the same mechanic stalls that Gary had before. 23:54 and Gary said that Keith would go back 23:56 and talk to Jeremy all the time. 23:58 Gary said that he thinks the Texas Rangers 24:01 dropped the ball on their investigation 24:03 and just latched on to him because he had a record. 24:06 And the worst part to Gary is that they apparently 24:09 never even talked to Jeremy about Keith's disappearance. 24:13 Wait, did he tell them to? 24:15 No, I don't think he was on friendly terms 24:18 with them back then, if you can imagine. 24:20 Also, I don't think he was necessarily even saying 24:22 to us now that his son should have been like suspected. 24:25 I think he was just pointing out how little they did 24:27 if they didn't even talk to his son. 24:29 He says the only rumor he ever heard 24:32 was that Keith's disappearance was related 24:34 to some gambling debts out of Dallas. 24:36 Right, but he's still making it seem like 24:38 his son really knew Keith. 24:40 I know, but I don't know how well. 24:43 And like he gave us a number for Jeremy 24:45 and our reporter tried it, 24:46 but if that is the right number, 24:48 we have not heard back from him. 24:50 We tried going back to Detective Whitehead about Jeremy and all of this. 24:54 He didn't say much about Jeremy, but he said that we should take whatever Gary 24:57 says with a grain of salt because the one thing we did ask about was like, 25:00 you know, Gary says he's not working there at the time and he said, 25:03 no, for a fact, he was. 25:05 So I don't know. 25:07 I don't know what to think about Gary. 25:08 I don't know what to think about Jeremy. 25:10 And I think that's part of the problem with this case. 25:12 Like it feels to me like it's cold because we know so little, 25:17 But I'll say it doesn't seem as cold as it could be. 25:20 Like I know it still has the attention of the department. 25:23 In fact, it was someone who used to work with Wichita Falls' PD who suggested this case 25:28 to me. 25:28 And I know they're still running down leads when they come in. 25:34 You always show up for friends and family. 25:37 But between summer, travel, that music festival, grandma's surprise 90th birthday, friends' 25:42 weddings, oh, and that one brunch, well, high-interest credit card debts start showing 25:46 up too. 25:46 So that's where today's sponsor, SoFi, comes in. 25:49 A SoFi personal loan is a way smarter way to move on from high interest debt with low 25:53 fixed rates, fast funding, and a clear end date. 25:56 You could borrow from $5,000 up to $100,000 as soon as the same day you sign, or SoFi 26:02 can pay down your credit cards directly. 26:04 It's time to live your life, not your debt. 26:07 Head to sofi.com slash CJ and move on smarter today. 26:11 That's sofi.com slash CJ. 26:13 Loans originated by Sofi Bank and a member FDIC, Terms and Conditions Apply, NMLS 696891. 26:23 In September of 2020, Deborah found this post on Facebook about this American man living 26:29 on the streets of Mexico and this man was thought to have some kind of mental health 26:32 issues. 26:33 Maybe he spent some time in a hospital after being hit by a car. 26:36 And honestly, there was a picture of this guy and there was a pretty close resemblance 26:40 between him and an age-enhanced picture Nick McMaid of Keith like in his 40s. 26:46 And the Wichita Falls PD ran with this. 26:48 They tracked this guy down and did DNA testing, but it wasn't Keith. 26:53 And then the next year, I know in 2021, they did a whole excavating project locally for, 26:59 I assume, Keith's remains. 27:01 And this was at the dealership? 27:03 No, this is the weird part. 27:04 In the police records, there is one very specific address on Southwest Parkway 27:10 which is a half mile from Keith's apartment. 27:12 And on Google Maps, if you look it up, 27:14 you just see like a dirt lot with a broken down sign. 27:17 It used to be an old car wash, oil change business, whatever. 27:22 But I guess it kept like flooding 27:23 and so it was eventually abandoned. 27:25 And right before demo happened, 27:26 detectives went in to do the search, 27:29 like, oh, now's the perfect time. 27:30 But for the life of me, I can't tell you why. 27:34 And I'm not sure if the detective 27:35 was holding something back 27:37 or they just like searched it first, 27:39 searching because they could before the demo happened like it was just like there 27:43 but like I don't know I've worked with a lot of police departments and like they 27:47 don't just like search for nothing the one thing that like I keep coming that 27:50 like just rings a little bell in my mind is that mention that Chris had of 27:55 going to the car wash before dropping that's literally where my mind went 27:58 like was this the car wash I don't know that was the car and then they're 28:02 still dropping him off they're still really clear that they do not think 28:04 that Chris is suspicious at all. I don't know why they were interested in this place, 28:10 but I do know that there were some random things left behind when they went in before it got taken 28:16 down. There was a checkbook, there were some polaroids from construction of the building, 28:22 and detectives reviewed the photos sometime in early 2021 and see that at some point there 28:27 was this new slab of concrete that was poured, likely when the business had become this 28:32 oil change station. So detectives use those polaroids to compare like old versus new construction. 28:38 And then they excavated the lot in February of that year, but they didn't find anything. 28:43 So like I said, that excavation makes me think there had to be something specific to that 28:49 lead because like I said, you don't you don't pour resources into a search. 28:53 I'm working on this one in California right now where they literally have four separate 28:57 cadaver dogs do four separate hits and they still won't dig up the ground. So 29:01 I'm like what are you like I don't know maybe and maybe it is just it was just easy because it was getting torn down and 29:06 Why not because it's been so long and they haven't found out so did you check and see like who the land of this car was? 29:13 Of course I checked to see who I did I did and I asked Keith's family if this name rang any bells 29:18 Because like when I looked at the property records 29:20 It was also like the name on the checkbook and stuff like that 29:23 They didn't recognize the name and police are telling me there's no 29:26 significance that this person who like owned it had the checkbooks like they 29:30 don't hold any significance in this case. I mean have they ever named anyone as a 29:35 suspect or or even a person of interest? No, but to me the unnamed person who 29:41 should be a person of interest is whoever Keith was supposed to be 29:45 meeting at 1215. Yes. Because if that meeting really happened why has that 29:51 person never come forward? Well and I think finding out what that meeting was 29:56 even about would tell you a lot. 29:58 And we still don't know. 29:59 Detectives have tried over the years, but they have never even gotten a solid reason 30:03 as to why he would be meeting someone. 30:04 I mean, have they considered a world where that meeting wasn't even real? 30:09 I'm sure. 30:10 Like, because it's the question I keep asking. 30:12 But like I said, they don't seem to like question Chris or Michelle's truthfulness. 30:17 And again, it's possible that Keith wasn't being honest with them, right? 30:20 Like they thought it was Keith meeting someone was, I don't know. 30:24 I think you kind of have to believe 30:26 there was someone that met up with him after 30:28 because nobody believes that he just walked off anymore. 30:32 And actually, there is another small bit of info 30:34 that I think like fits into our puzzle. 30:38 Apparently sometime around one o'clock in the morning, 30:41 like an hour after Chris and Michelle dropped Keith off, 30:45 Keith's sister heard something out the window, 30:48 like her bedroom window, 30:50 something that was like in the direction 30:52 of the church parking lot. 30:53 She said it might have been like a door slam 30:56 or something like that. 30:57 Like it was nothing that worried her 30:58 or even made her look out her window at the time. 31:00 Just something that in hindsight makes them think 31:04 that that is when the car might have been left there. 31:08 The question is, was Keith driving it? 31:11 There weren't any phone records pulled 31:13 to confirm if Keith made any calls
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