Something has shifted dramatically in the last few years. The institutions and information structures we were trained to trust have failed in ways that are now difficult to ignore, producing a kind of generalized mistrust that makes it hard to think, hard to act, and hard to know what a good life even looks like anymore.
In this episode, Kelly sits down with philosopher and author James Madden to examine what it means to navigate belief and meaning when the ground beneath shared reality has already given way. Jim is the author of Unidentified Flying Hyper-Object: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World and Thinking About Thinking: Mind and Meaning in the Era of Techno-Nihilism, the cohost of The Great Dangerous Books Podcast, and a longtime thinking partner whose refusal to offer easy answers has made him a favorite among listeners of Kelly's previous work.
They talk about the complacent indifference that has settled over people in the wake of seemingly endless waves of institutional scandal and revelation. They talk about conspiracy thinking as a cognitive response to the collapse of trusted authority—and why the fact that some conspiracies turn out to be real makes the situation harder to navigate, not easier. They talk about why generalized epistemic mistrust is such an effective mechanism for preventing meaningful action. And they talk about what it means to keep trying to live well when you can no longer trust the information you would need to do it.
Topics explored: epistemological collapse | conspiracy thinking as cognitive response | institutional trust failure | the "big other" | generalized skepticism as paralysis | information warfare | the psychology of indifference | epistemic mistrust and political action | radical self-reliance | faith and probability | living well under uncertainty | Žižek | Lacan | Plato's Republic
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Referenced In This Episode
Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World, James Madden
Thinking about Thinking: Mind and Meaning in the Era of Techno-Nihilism, James Madden
Republic, Plato
The Agnostic Inquirer: Revelation from a Philosophical Standpoint, Sandra Menssen & Thomas D. Sullivan
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TIMESTAMPS
04:50 Indifference and Partisan Filters
06:03 Frozen by Mistrust
07:41 Ontological vs Epistemic
09:33 Medical Trust Breakdown
13:13 Sheep Bandits Skepticism
18:23 Conspiracy Comfort Trap
22:07 Secrecy and Leaks
26:00 How Conspiracies Operate
28:32 Black Budgets Disinfo
30:57 UFO Skepticism In Principle
34:34 Portal Claims and Psyops
35:56 Trading Obscurity for Obscurity
38:43 Counting Humans Knowledge Limits
41:32 Good Life in Uncertainty
44:09 Moron Idiot Imbecile Framework
46:14 Radical Self Reliance and Trust
50:16 Skepticism Without Denial
55:29 Faith, Doubt, and Jesus
01:01:09 Keep Seeking Do Good
01:02:17 Credits and Where to Listen
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