Time to Make AI a Tool, Not a Destination | 11/18/25

We begin by discussing the renewed effort in Congress to ban states from implementing any regulations of AI or data centers. Also Trump is working with Saudi Arabia to own our AI infrastructure. It is shocking to watch the priorities of Republicans at a time when we could be expending our capital on things we actually believe in. Next we’re joined by Tim Estes, 25-year AI founder and CEO, who is working to steer AI toward enhancing the human experience rather than supplanting it. He warns that the current tech companies working on data center buildout are mimicking the worst elements of the China-centralized surveillance state without copying their aversion to addicting a generation of children to what he calls “digital narcotics.” In a riveting interview, Estes lays out two paths for AI that will determine whether we fix the internet that broke a generation of children or whether we engage in digital child sacrifice. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices