Has Liz Truss had her first stumble?

Liz Truss has U-turned on a public worker pay plan announced just last night – the idea being that pay would reflect the cost of living in regional areas. What made her backtrack on the announcement? And how damaging has this been to her campaign?

'Any discussion of lowering pay right now is politically intolerable. Timing matters a lot here' - Kate Andrews.

Also on the podcast, Kate and James discuss the political tensions behind 'fat cat' pay and windfall taxes on the day BP announce its largest profit in 14 years.

Cindy Yu is joined by Kate Andrews and James Forsyth.
Produced by Natasha Feroze.