When Turnbull met Trump — and what it means for today’s changing world order

Australia's 29th Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull joins former Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland to deliver a candid appraisal of the shifting sands of global politics, from Donald Trump to AUKUS to rising right wing populism in liberal democracies. This conversation was recorded at the Harvard Kennedy School at Harvard University on 16 April 2026. Speakers: Malcom Turnbull Australian Prime Minister, 2015 to 2018 President of the International Hydropower Association Chrystia Freeland (host) Fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School, Harvard University Economic advisor to the President of Ukraine Former Canadian deputy prime minister and finance minister 2019 to 2024 Author, Plutocrats: The Rise of the New Global Super Rich and the Fall of Everyone Else, and Sale of the Century: Russia's Wild Ride from Communism to Capitalism