Women Prefer Submissive Roles in Relationships but Not in The Way You Think

In this eye-opening discussion, we explore the complex dynamics of dominance and submission in relationships, challenging popular misconceptions promoted by the "red pill" community. We delve into:

* The misunderstanding of female sexuality and relationship preferences

* The difference between arousal patterns and daily life expectations

* The importance of having a vision and purpose in attracting a partner

* How to approach dating with honesty and efficiency

* The role of ambition and status in attraction

* Strategies for building a strong, synergistic relationship

* The truth about "pickup artist" techniques and why they fail

* Research findings on marital satisfaction and partner preferences

* The concept of tactical honesty in dating and relationships

* Ideas for creating a family culture that supports healthy partnerships

Join us as we unpack these crucial topics and provide practical advice for building meaningful, lasting relationships.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] the urban monoculture will not admit that men and women are different. And then it's like, then explain trans people.

And they're like, oh, what I meant is men and women are fundamentally two totally different things, and you can easily tell which one you are just by how you perceive reality . You know, you're not allowed to admit it in terms of partner dynamics or anything like that. But then the urban monoculture cited so holistically was a feminist movement that a anti feminist bent has twisted the truth that women prefer subservient positions when they're in a relationship with a male to women want a man To like, tell them to shut up and get in the kitchen.

I'd be like, Hey, you get your b***h ass back in the kitchen and make me some pie.

Andrew Tate: I am the commander of this house. Be quiet. Cook.

They're like, Oh, so I just need to be like, that's what dominance is, right?

Malcolm Collins: Dumb a*****e. Have you ever seen like a pickup artist in like real life?

So there is a, a, a bad point of data that a [00:01:00] lot of red pill men get, or a lot of like really sexually active men get which is, Slave women, I'll call them.

So

Oh, yes, okay

Malcolm Collins: Do not confuse what arouses a woman with what she wants from her daily life. Alright? I am sure, if you are a guy, and you are watching this, right, there are things on your computer

Tamura, I miss me something. My computer's hard drive. I need you to dump it in the bathtub and fry it. All done. Please rest in peace, Satoru.

Malcolm Collins: as a man, there are many things that may arouse you that you did not choose to have arouse you, right? You don't want those things that arouse you to be part of your daily life at work. Or among your friend group or you know, in the way that you're raising your kids.

Would you like to know more?

Malcolm Collins: [00:02:00] Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be talking about Dominance and submissiveness as it relates to gender relationships in males and females and where Groups like the pickup artist and red pill community now keep in mind These are not homogenous communities in terms of their viewpoints But I would say many of the prevailing ideas within these communities got these concepts wrong Which led to them making very big mistakes in terms of how they were engaging with their partners, which You Ultimately led to unproductive, unhappy relationships that broke apart.

Absolutely.

Malcolm Collins: Now, I'm going to read a quote, , a friend of mine wrote this sentence he said there's a Bernian view that this creates an invisible ledger between men and women, stereotypically, where a woman can exchange sex for care and resources.

And when he says Bernian, I was looking up, well, what's, what's Bernianism, right? And so this is a quote on what Bernianism is. The [00:03:00] unit of social intercourse is called a transaction. If two or more people encounter each other, sooner or later, one of them will speak or give some other indication of acknowledging the presence of others.

This is called the transactional stimulus. Another person will say or do something which is in some way related to the stimulus. And that is called the transactional response. The problem with this thesis, and you see this across communities, they're like, okay, Women exchange sexual access for resources and protection.

Right, they're framed as the gatekeepers of sex.

Malcolm Collins: They're, they're framed as the gatekeepers of sex in relationships. And this framing is fundamentally wrong because it sees men and women as sociologically, Like, in terms of their world perspectives and the way that they process reality and the environment around them as pretty much exactly equal, except that women, and I know they don't, they don't realize that this is what they're doing, but this is functionally what, what, what the cause of making this [00:04:00] assumption does, except that women are less interested in sex than men.

And therefore are able to be sexual gatekeepers. However, and I'm just talking all of the, like, like, why women would be sexually less interested in them. And we don't need to get into all the evolution or theory here right now. I'm just pointing out that this is the way that they see it. And it creates a misunderstanding because it isn't just this one domain where women's perspectives on sexuality and the way that they relate to relationships is systemically different from the way males relate to relationships.

So we're going to get into some statistics on this, but broadly speaking. How do I, how do I word this inoffensively? Um, It is not a trade among people who are psychologically the same in terms of how they relate to reality.

Whereas women are often looking for somebody who I don't want to say like a worthy master, but like a, a, a person who they respect and see as above them and who they see as [00:05:00] trying to achieve something meaningful in the world that they can contribute to. A good horse

to

Malcolm Collins: hitch your wagon to. Right. But this is very different from the way that men often see women as relating to dominance.

Yeah. Well, and that's, and I think that's why you see men investing in things like fancy cars and preening by going to the gym and getting these muscles because they think that if they can show, like, I have the Rolex watch and I have the Maserati therefore she will think that I am resource rich and that is it.

Like, it's just, it, it boils things down to a level of simplicity. That's pretty absurd. Whereas really what you're trying to say is women aren't looking for like Gold coins there, the typical woman, unless she's a gold digger and literally looking for gold coins and kind of hoping that you'll die soon, or at least that she can kind of live a separate life and not be bothered by you.

Then she's really looking [00:06:00] for I guess it's, it's kind of like the give a man a fish versus teach a man a fish. Like she wants that, that source, that constant source of wealth and success in life. And that is by partnering yourself to someone who's a true leader. Who, if you live your life with them will yield the security and meaning that you're looking for in your life.

I think women want to, and to a great extent, men to everyone, most people want to be able to hitch themselves to a worthy cause. People find this through faith, through brand affiliation, through employers, but also through partners and women. Looking for that in male partners more than they're looking for gold coins.

Malcolm Collins: