We Were Right! Two Men Kissing & a Bowl of Maggots (Disgust & Sexuality)

Dive into the fascinating discussion between Simone and Malcolm as they explore a revealing study on heterosexual men's disgust response to images of two men kissing and maggots. They analyze the implications of these findings on human sexuality, disgust responses, and cultural norms. From the biological basis of disgust to the role of socialization, this episode covers the layers of human arousal, progressive culture, and societal perceptions. They also touch on unique fetishes, power dynamics, and their own personal experiences. Expect an insightful conversation filled with groundbreaking predictions and thought-provoking insights.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. Today we are going to be talking about a study that came out recently titled What Did Two Men Kissing and A Bucket of Maggots Have in Common? Heterosexual Men's. Indistinguishable salivary, a amylase response to photos of two men, kissing and disgusting images. This is gonna be one of those days where we're gonna go a lot into disgust.

Mm-hmm.

Sexuality and point out, but yet again, I called it. I called it, everybody said that I was wrong. Everybody said my ideas were crazy. Now everyone agrees with all of my genius. I

Simone Collins: think that Donald Trump for some of his press conferences has like an I was right hat. Yes. This is my, I was right, right hat And I think you need to put on your I was right hat.

Yeah. We, we need one too.

Speaker: We are gonna win so much. You may even get tired of winning and you'll say, please, please, it's too [00:01:00] much winning. We can't take it anymore,

Malcolm Collins: I no, I, am I ever gonna get credit for being so effing right all the time? No. No. Am I? No. Is there ever gonna be like the scientist? I love it. That like with, with, with eyes. They literally coined the same term I coined, which was utility convergence. And, and they're like, so we found this weird thing in AI where we get utility convergence and nobody predicted this in the space.

And I'm like, I predicted it like literally 10 years ago. What are you talking about? I wrote many papers and things on this. Yeah. Yeah. And this is something that in our, you know, we talk a lot about human sexuality. I'd predicted this, and you're gonna be shocked, you're gonna be shocked by this, but it says a lot about one arousal and disgust work.

Mm-hmm.

Two. One of the big lies that progressives tell everyone about it. So to read part of the abstract here, participant current study viewed six different slideshows depicting same [00:02:00] sex, PDA, that's public display of affection or, or kissing, mixed sex, PDA, everyday items and disgusting images. This is like bowls full of maggots.

Okay? While providing saliva samples in the lab, a series of paired sampled T-test were performed and found that SAA, this is saliva MLAs, which is produced by discussed responses like neurologically. It triggers the release of this enzyme responses to images of same sex men kissing. And universally disgusting images were significantly greater than SAA responses to a slideshow depicting everyday items.

So basically we so-called it hold on, hold on. It gets better. It gets better. The results held across the full sample regardless of individuals, individual level of prejudice. Specifically prejudice against gay individuals. The results of the current study suggest that all individuals, not just highly sexually prejudiced individuals, [00:03:00] experience psychological responses indicative of stress when witnessing male, , same sex, couple kissing,

Simone Collins: no wait.

Did they also try this on gay men?

Malcolm Collins: Not in this study, the possibility of socialized disgust response to same-sex PDA is discussed. Basically, let me lay this out for people who didn't catch what this means. It means that the disgust reaction that we have. We being most straight males have when watching two gay men kiss, which is a strong reaction.

I talked about it myself and I couldn't get blow back from this. Like I had a gay roommate all through high school. Okay. Because I went to a boarding school in college, like my best friends were gay. I hung out with gay people all the time. I am not like an anti-gay person.

I have an extreme to seeing men, kissing men, extreme disgust reaction. And what this is showing is that your acceptance of this is not [00:04:00] tied to your disgust reaction. This has a multiplicative downstream implications. The first being is that one, this disgust reaction is not socialized. This is not because of your religiosity or anything like this.

Mm-hmm. Something that you are born with. Mm-hmm. It makes it much more likely that gay individuals and, and, and I, I've noted this in the pragmatist gay sexuality, because I think one of the core mysteries of human sexuality is why male gayness does not appear like female. And it appears like the exact inversion of male straightness.

Yeah.

Simone Collins: It's not like, yeah. So they're not, they're not sexual like a woman they are. Mm-hmm. They are, gay. They're gay like a man.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yes. So, so what I mean by this is men, your average straight man has an aversion, a disgust response at the idea of man kissing men. Like grosses them [00:05:00] out. Yeah. And they have an arousal response to the idea of.

You know, them kissing a woman. Mm-hmm. Sometimes they actually have a disgust response to seeing other men kiss women, but we'll get into that later. But the point being but they'll always have an arousal response for a woman kissing a woman, basically more guys in a situation, typically the worst it is for your average straight male.

Now. No, this isn't always true. But the dis distraction you gave me was comment. Women do not have this response. Yeah. Women is actually fairly rare for a woman to have a disgust response to seeing to women kiss.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I mean, welcome to the world of, of Yi. That's

Malcolm Collins: right. Surprises no one. You know, women who are consuming that, that you, you mean two men kisses Ywe.

Or

Simone Collins: I'm saying women are not turned off

Malcolm Collins: by men kissing. Right. But men are not turned off by seeing two women kiss, right? Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no,

Simone Collins: no. The

Malcolm Collins: point I'm making is women are not turned off by seeing two women kissed. They do not have this same disgust response. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:06:00] Seeing people of their gender kiss, which you

Simone Collins: also called because women don't really.

Oriented. This is something that, so if you haven't checked this out, read the Pragmatist Guide to Sexuality in it, Malcolm Posits that not only is sexuality oriented on an arousal to disgust. Spectrum, but also that men's or sexuality is more oriented around primary and secondary sexual characteristics like boobs and like things sing signaling.

That has

Malcolm Collins: very little to do with what we're talking about right now.

Simone Collins: Well, but, but I'm just summarizing really quickly and that women are not actually that attached to. Gender or sex? It's more about power dynamics. Yeah. It's more about

Malcolm Collins: dominance of submission, the dominance. So they wouldn't, it doesn't

Simone Collins: really matter to them.

If it's like women on women, men on women, and women on, on men. Like any mixture

Malcolm Collins: is more tied to arousal than mal