We Were EXPOSED! An Undercover Reporter Recorded Our Private Conversations and Meetings

In this revealing episode, Malcolm and Simone Collins address a recent investigative piece by Hope Not Hate about their pronatalist activism. They discuss the implications of the article, clarify their positions on controversial topics, and offer insights into how they navigate the complex landscape of demographic discussions. The couple provides a behind-the-scenes look at their experiences with undercover journalism and reflects on the broader implications for the pronatalist movement.

Key topics covered:

* Response to Hope Not Hate's undercover investigation

* Clarification of pronatalist views and strategies

* Discussion on eugenics vs. polygenics

* Media representation of the pronatalist movement

* Challenges of discussing demographic issues

* Importance of transparency in activism

* Reflections on privacy and public discourse

This video offers a candid look at the challenges faced by pronatalist activists and provides valuable insights for anyone interested in demographic trends, media representation, and the future of population dynamics.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. Today is a special episode because this was an article that was two years in the making two years ago. You and I went out to drinks with Who turned out to be an undercover reporter for the organization, Hope Not Hate, that has done this amazing and groundbreaking expose on us.

Actually quite flattering. It is actually quite flattering. These guys are a big deal.

Simone Collins: These guys host dinners. Overall,

Malcolm Collins: I mean, I come away with two big, big takeaways from this. One, is nobody cares. One of my favorite things is two years to do an investigation to get 26 likes. That was one of the comments under it.

And I went through every single comment under it on Twitter and there wasn't a single one supporting them. All of them were like our fans or other supporters of us that were just like, you guys are crazy. You guys are the bigots. You guys are the Hope not. He'd

Simone Collins: actually turned off. No,

Malcolm Collins: it looked like that for you because they blocked you.

Simone Collins: Oh, I [00:01:00] don't know how things work. Okay, that explains things. But

Malcolm Collins: anyway so first nobody cares.

Speaker 3: Dodgson! Dodgson! We've got Dodgson here! See, nobody cares.

Malcolm Collins: Just, just, things, you can't cancel people anymore. Like, cancellations are so over. This organization was founded, back in 2004 and really grew to its height during that 2010 culture wars era, which you know The the woke side of the culture wars no longer has the momentum it had back then and a lot of people knew this article was going to come out before it came out because they had to warn us all because It was in the uk and it involved undercover reporters and Everyone else was freaking out and I was like nobody's gonna care I mean, the Guardian may try to turn this into a piece or something, but like on us, they just didn't, you know, they got us saying naughty things and we'll go over them but they're just not that naughty, you know?

So I think the one thing is just nobody cares about this type of stuff anymore. That and the

Simone Collins: other thing is I think that organizations like Hope Not Hate, especially given their tactic [00:02:00] of supposedly infiltrating using their undercover operatives extremist far right groups, as they like to put it by doing that, I think they were trying to reveal this.

Just under the surface, pervasive and blatant white nationalist cabal in both the United States and the U. K. and Europe. And, It just, I don't think it just, it just doesn't really exist. It's not really a thing. And what the yeah, continue in that show that I've still, I'm just finishing up in the good fight where there is this sort of, this Trump derangement show that really shows inside the ID of someone who has Trump derangement syndrome in their final season in season six, there are these protests, sort of the trucker protests or they're trying to depict.

But they take place in Chicago for some reason and they literally have these groups of khaki clad white men running through the streets with burning tiki torches chanting, you will not replace us. And they just are doing it. Like, , Juno. Yes. And, you know, there's this [00:03:00] like a troop of runners that are constantly going around. They look like the Juno runners and they're just sort of like running around all the time throughout Chicago with their little tiki torches saying you will not replace us.

And I feel like that's what hope not hate was trying to reveal is like they're everywhere and they're evil and they're just under the surface and they're saying all these things and we're going to show you we're going to expose it and then they spend two years once again because they did this in the U.

S. for a while and now they were doing it in Europe trying to expose these hateful racist Nazis and they just aren't

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I think that that was one of the problems that they ran into is that these people don't really exist except on the fringe. And certainly not in the core of the movement. However I, I will say that a lot of people.

In private. And, and this was the other thing that I really took away from this meeting is a lot of people will ask Simone and Malcolm, why are you the people running the pronatalist movement? Like, why are [00:04:00] you the most prominent voices? We should find somebody else. You know, we should find somebody who's more normal or more, you know, they, they want somebody more in line with their version of whatever they think it should be.

Maybe somebody who's more open to HBD stuff. Some, maybe somebody who's more Classically, theologically conservative or even someone

Simone Collins: who's more progressive. Like we get attacked from all angles of why we're either too conservative or too progressive or not religious enough or too religious.

Malcolm Collins: I think that this particular reporter showed not just why we have risen within the movement as we have, but why it makes sense for the movement to continue to double down on us being the central figures was that.

We, you and I, were alone, in private, with somebody who was saying they would give money to our foundation, with somebody who was signaling themselves to be incredibly racist, with somebody who I was [00:05:00] drunk,, and we'd just

Simone Collins: taken an overnight red eye flight in economy from the US to the UK.

Yes. We just landed that morning. And they didn't

Malcolm Collins: give me alcohol, which fortunately I built a degree of immunity to. People are like, why do you do this? Because they can't get me. Can't

Simone Collins: get me. Oh my gosh. It's like that scene in Indiana Jones where there's the drinking contest and you know, she pretends to be progressively drunk, but she just gets up in the end and starts cleaning up.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. That is, that is exactly what happened. So, but I, I feel like. In that scenario, I rolled Nat 20s with this reporter. I was rolling Nat 20s on Charisma Checks all night. I, I was a character completely statted into Charisma.

Speaker 5: Oh, what'd you put your ability points on, by the way? .

Speaker 6: I put mine into charisma. Oh,

Speaker 5: yeah. Charisma's important. Yeah. What'd you put the rest on?

Speaker 6: Charisma.