Wait, Are We Mormons???

We explore surprising commonalities between our synth religion's beliefs and early Mormon/LDS theology around eternal progression, pre-life, becoming gods, and more. We discuss apparent biblical contradictions, diversity of beliefs among Mormons, the role of prophets overriding canon, attempts to conform as mainstream Christians, and accelerated collapse via the genetic vortex. We cover concepts like multiple mortal probations, the basilisk, Saturday Warriors film, killing potential kids, and whether Mormons would consider us Mormon.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] This really shocked me because it was the more conservative Mormons, the ones who would be considered more extremist, who thought that we were more similar to Mormonism in our beliefs, And it was the less conservative Mormons who thought that our beliefs were more distant from Mormons. If you look across the Mormon tradition, when I started like talking to more Mormons and more conservative Mormons about the way they think, like the metaphysics of the universe actually works, right. There is more diversity within Mormon beliefs than there is. Within any other religion that I'm aware of, like what's, what's

Simone Collins: extra interesting is there's both that diversity, but also this like quiet, like, we don't talk about this diversity.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, we don't talk about this. We don't talk about it. So, so let's, let's talk about one here, right? Like multiple mortal prohibitions,

Simone Collins: right?

Malcolm Collins: This was fascinating to me because it has shown that I fundamentally misunderstood Mormonism in our previous videos on Mormonism

Would you like to know more?

Malcolm Collins: Well, this is [00:01:00] very exciting. I get to use my new fancy

Speaker. Although, like, because it's

Simone Collins: because it's metal, like, it right now I feel like I'm holding a frozen rod of ice right now.

It is so cold. Is this

Malcolm Collins: your new camera? Okay, well, I am really excited for this episode, and I am always so disappointed when there's an episode that, like, I absolutely love, but like We don't get a bunch of watches on it or something. No one's going to

Simone Collins: watch this. Yeah. I don't know. I'll tell you in terms of watching something that I thought I didn't want to watch.

I watched all of Saturday Warriors per your request and it was cheesy and it was, but oh my gosh, I cried. I cried.

Malcolm Collins: So people who aren't familiar with Saturday Warriors, it was recommended to us because we've been talking a lot with a Mormon fan of the show to try to understand the religion better.

And he suggested that we check out this movie. And it is really interesting because he said that, like, it gives a good example of why a lot of Mormons had a lot of kids. So you can see it from their perspective. And throughout the [00:02:00] entire movie, you're having your heart strings pulled by this little girl.

Who's stuck in heaven because her parents haven't had a kid yet and they haven't had all their kids. They haven't had the seventh kid that they were supposed to have. No, eighth, eighth kid. Eighth kid,

Emily, what's wrong? I'm the last kid to be born. What if by that time mom and dad don't want me? No way. But I've seen lots of families make promises.

And then break them. Not us. Emily, I will see to it personally that you're not forgotten. You promise, Jimmy? I promise.

Malcolm Collins: yeah. And then the other, another one of their kids, the, the bad guys in this. You want to talk about getting us on board with you?

Bad guys in this. We're called Population Zero, and they were a rock band that had seduced one of the sons into thinking abortion was cool and population reduction was cool.

Look at this. Ehrlich says that population growth will lead to famine. And in this decade, [00:03:00] hundreds of millions of people will starve to death.

So what's the solution? Force population control? Well, people will need to be coerced, but it's for a good cause. I mean, it's the only answer, unless you don't like eating. You think it's a little extreme? Come on. Well, this is serious. People need to stop having so many kids. No offense. Jimmy, how come your parents can't keep their hands off each other?

You wanna find out? The Earth is sick, and we are the cancer.

Every day the babies are destroying the world,

eating all our apple sauce. What can we do? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Far out, man. Play that again. Just messing around, man. No, Jimmy, [00:04:00] for real, this time and keep that melody.

Every day, the world is getting smaller by falling.

Bursting at the seams, what can we do?

Zero population is the answer, my friend. Without it, the rest of us are doomed. Who can survive? Who can survive? Not one of us will be alone.

Malcolm Collins: Literally an antinatalist

Simone Collins: rock band. Hilarious.

Malcolm Collins: Right? Can you get more? But this whole line of conversation started for us with a really interesting moment for me.

So I was on stage. And I have talked with the transhumanist Mormons before, you know, like the [00:05:00] weird, like technophilic Mormons which I think a lot of Mormons would consider kind of different from mainstream Mormons. And, and the fact that our ideology and our belief system really aligns closely with theirs that did not surprise me at all.

You know, right. Here's what shocked me. So we're on the stage. It's Kevin Dolan. Kevin Dolan is of the conservative faction of Mormons so much so that he's often when people talk about like the deseret nationalists, that's who they're talking about. The Mormon separatists,

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Malcolm Collins: So That's the faction. And we were on stage and he, and he just came out because I thought that he would see our religious beliefs, our synthetic religious beliefs, where we say, okay broadly in years from now of our lives, they're probably going to be closer to gods and humans and that [00:06:00] this, or the way we would think of a god than a human and that they wouldn't relate to time the way we relate to time.

And so it's sort of like a self manifesting entity that is influencing us today. Okay. So he saw this, he actually related it to interstellar. He said, your beliefs are basically interstellar, right? I don't know. I haven't seen it recently, but I was like, yeah, sure. Why not? And he's like, that is just.

Mormon. Like he's like, you guys are basically just Mormons. And that surprised me. Because that did not align what, what I understood a conservative Mormon would think. anD I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait. And so then I started talking to some other Mormons who were at the conference about Mormonism and they're like, yeah, you guys are just Mormons or your, your beliefs are very similar to Mormon beliefs.

And. This really shocked me because it was the more conservative Mormons, the ones who would be considered more extremist, who thought that we were more similar to Mormonism in our beliefs, or as they would say it, you know, the Church of Latter day Saints. And it was the less conservative [00:07:00] Mormons who thought that our beliefs were more distant from Mormons.

Isn't that wild? Well, it's not wild when you dig into it. Y