Post-Globalization Monarchist Philosophy: With the Aristocratic Utensil

In this episode, we are joined by Spoon, the YouTube personality known for his monarchist leanings. We dive into topics like the relevance of democracy today and possible alternatives. Spoon discusses his journey into politics, influenced by changing cultural and political landscapes, and how he arrived at his unconventional views. We also explore the dynamics between left and right-wing ideologies, the role of church and state, and the challenges of modern governance. This engaging dialogue bridges historical perspectives with contemporary issues, making for a thought-provoking session.

Simone Collins: [00:00:00] Hello everyone. We're so excited today to be joined by a very special guest, spoon, the aristocratic utensil on YouTube as well as on X. Although your handle on X is at Aris.

Malcolm Collins: And what I wanted to talk about today was voting ooh and democracy and is it relevant anymore? And where would, how could you construct better systems? And I thought that you'd be a great person to have on with this, especially talking with us because I know that you had like monarchist leanings, people have called our political beliefs.

Plu Tists. I'm interested to hear more from you.

The Aristocratic Utensil: Hmm.

Oh, basically, how did I get to my views?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, well, did you, were, did you grow up? Why do you think it's better? Why you think it's, you know, a, a good structure, what a perfect country would look like?

The Aristocratic Utensil: Hmm.

Okay. So it's kind of weird how I even got into politics in general because if I, if I were to look at like my 6-year-old self and my 30 5-year-old self and go, you are gonna be on YouTube one day talking about [00:01:00] politics, I would go, okay, what, what the hell happened in my life that made me take an interest in politics, let alone monarchy?

How, how did I get to that? That's just bizarre. I don't how and it was ba it was basically because a friend of mine several years ago this was like back in early 2010s, I wanna say. Hmm. Before Bernie Saunas really hit the scene, but she was also a Bernie fan. The, this, this is show you how long the culture has shifted for, and just a very short amount of time actually is that she was a.

Californian girl who was let's just say she was built in a very feminine way. She's from California, but lefty perspectives, but she control like, an absolute a*****e right? Winger, which by today's standards makes no sense, an extremely lefty person, but they, but they spit right? Rightwing insults.

Yes. Like she would drop slurs in a way that would get you banned on Twitter within 30 seconds which is not a human being that exists today. Standard. And she got me into [00:02:00] Bernie Sa as, as as a political figure. And then right about the time he said a couple of things that made me as a South African go, that's just factually not true.

Hmm. He said,

white people don't know what it's like to be poor. And I went mathematically, that doesn't even add up. That's just, that is not true. And the way he spoke about certain. Racial policies made me go. Okay. Were you,

Malcolm Collins: were you a a like Bernie supporter at this point? Like you liked him as a political candidate?

The Aristocratic Utensil: Yes, I think, okay, so I said this in one of my streams and I think this is what makes you go further left leaning and what makes you right wing.

Mm-hmm. Is that from the, the old liberal perspective, I do think it is based upon a lot of people can look at the system and go, there is a lot of corruption. There is a lot of unnecessary government control in places they shouldn't be. And they sort of just look at the, the current paradigm and go, [00:03:00] this is not a moral system.

And the problem is they look at this situation and go, there should be state intervention. What they're really looking for is morality in the state.

Hmm.

Whereas if you are a right winger, you'll recognize this doesn't work.

Right. And

so you'll, you'll tend to go from more libertarian perspective, which is just these institutions are beyond repair because they incentivize a certain behavior that you cannot generate just through powering through the institutions.

You have to structure them in a way that actually make the. Political class want to benefit the citizenry and the way that they want the system to work just does not gel with human nature.

Hmm.

And when you go from that perspective, you can go, okay, now you have to shift libertarian or go completely insane and advocate from monarchy in the 21st century.

That's more the route that I took, whereas the opposite end of leftism, they are just moed motivated [00:04:00] purely by envy. It's just that I cannot compete in this system, and so I must smash it to b***h in the hopes that whatever comes next will appeal to me. And I've seen the people who go for that, and I don't want to be disrespectful, but there's not a brain cell in those people.

Like really, they are completely driven by this fantasy idea of an idealized bureaucracy. It's kind of weird. They, yeah. This is the way I'm describing these people is whatever I wish to see in a king. They wish to see an entire bureaucracy that abides by their morality.

Simone Collins: That's a great way of putting it.

Yeah, because what, what I feel differently about what you were saying is you were saying that like the sort of the leftist leaning is smash what exists and then rebuild it. Whereas I think that was how it was for a while and then it turned to just have the government fix it. Like fix the, yeah, because they're Taiwan.

Fix the, yeah, fix the market failure. And then this assumption that the entire government can suddenly. Oh, trust

The Aristocratic Utensil: me. Do that on a whim. Yes. I,

Malcolm Collins: I really like [00:05:00] a point you made here and I'd elevate it as I think that this is distinctly part of what makes the new Right. Quite different from the old, right, which is the new right.

Isn't particularly sold around one government ideology. It's more just that they actually want to fix things and they have multiple hypotheses about how that can be done. And there is like active debate and active attempts to implement this. We even see with like Elon and Trump's government right now or JD Vance you know, talking about like economic issues that would typically be outside the normal, right.

Whereas the left just wants to not have to worry about money and that can be achieved through printing money or taking money.

The Aristocratic Utensil: They're basically materialists. I would say the biggest problem that the right has, and this is gonna sound a bit strange, but there is an aspect that the left, this makes no sense if I say it out loud, so I have to explain this, unpack this a bit, is the left understands humanity and the right does not.[00:06:00]

Which I'm aware that Yes. Here's what I mean by that. The the Harry on the Lotus, he has pointed this out as well, 'cause him and I were having a conversation about this is that the way that the, the left operates is they claim the champion egalitarianism and equality equal rights and all this stuff, but the way they behave when power is militantly hierarchical,

Malcolm Collins: yes,

The Aristocratic Utensil: there's control from the top and anything down below, there's no dissent.

It's one man follow, like a general in an, in an army. It's why they make such powerful roads because they actually abide by how humans actually function. The problem with it is the ideas they implem