Only the Pluralistic & Technophilic Pronatalist will Survive

In this thought-provoking discussion, Malcolm and Simone Collins delve into the reasons behind their strong alliance with the technophilic, pro-industry faction of the pronatalist movement. They argue that embracing technological progress and maintaining industrial productivity are crucial for ensuring cultural autonomy and survival in an increasingly competitive world. The hosts explain how groups that disengage from technology and rely on the protection of the current "urban monoculture" are setting themselves up for failure once this detente collapses. They also discuss the importance of pluralism as a strategic value for minority groups, the need for long-term thinking in cultural preservation, and the potential for technophobic groups to adapt and embrace technology when faced with existential threats.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] I love a lot of these technophobic groups. I think like Louise Perry, I was recently on her podcast and she's I think God doesn't want us engaging with technology If you take a low tech approach, you are dooming your culture as much as the people who are chemically castrating their children right now.

There is a reason we cling to industry. That is what gives us our cultural autonomy and gives us an ability to survive in the world that we're heading into, which is going to be much more aggressive interculturally speaking than the world we're in today. If you do something as simple as just say, okay, all computers, all internet is fine, just no AI, right? You are at such an enormous, both military and economic disadvantage. The urban monoculture has been good for many of these groups in one ways, and that they have imposed a sort of detente on our society.

You, if you're living in the developed world, generally do not have to worry about people of other cultural groups coming and sterilizing you or killing you. That will not be the case when the urban monoculture falls.

It's [00:01:00] existential that you're pluralistic if you are not a group that has a chance at a play for the dominant culture in the world.

The earth, for example, Suppose , you're a Catholic right now,. If they tried to take the, we will turn everywhere we live into a Catholic caliphate mindset and we will kick out the non Catholics. It's then, Any region where Catholics are not the dominant population, they are now a threat to all of the other populations.

If you get one or two Catholic caliphates set up now all Catholics become a problem. This is why this is such a dangerous pathway.

Would you like to know more?

Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. It's exciting to be talking to you today. Today we are going to be addressing why We have so ardently cited with the technophilic pro industry side of the pronatalist movement, because if you look at the wider landscape of the pronatalist movement, there are broadly two solutions.

One is to say, if society. Isn't [00:02:00] working right now. Like with all the changes we've had. Let's go back to a time when it did work. The other solution is ours is to say let's take elements from a time that did work. Let's riff on that. But. Let's adapt them to be pro technology and pro industry.

So we, as a species can keep developing in the direction we're developing today. And this is, I think to a lot of people, we wrote a piece in a Porya about why we chose to build a religion for our family. And one of the most common complaints was why. Do you need to engage with industry? And I think that there is the misinterpretation that for us, this is aesthetic that we are engaging because we just personally like industry or we're just generally pro science people are we believe in a future that's pro science.

And that is not why. Literally, any other approach is pointless. [00:03:00] Everyone who doesn't take this path has no real freedom or real cultural security. So do you want to go further before I explain why, Simone, or?

Simone Collins: Go into it.

Malcolm Collins: The point being is if you, Any group really only has cultural autonomy, i. e.

are able to practice their own cultural beliefs and pass those beliefs on to their kids, in so far as nearby groups that are higher industry or higher technophilia allow them to. The Amish and the Haraiti are two very high fertility populations, but both of these populations are incredibly low industry, incredibly low productivity, and incredibly low science engagement.

And when I say science engagement, pushing science forward, stuff like the Haraiti they'll like, I have a broad understanding of science. They're not as like PruPu as the Amish, but they're not, particle physicists are working on new types of computers and stuff like that, or auto [00:04:00] drones and stuff.

This matters because these two groups are only really able to have cultural autonomy in so far as they are in the good graces of their higher Technophilia, higher industry neighbors. This is the topic we have talked about before, and I wanted to do a full episode on it because it's important to ultra freaking highlight here.

Okay. Ultra, ultra highlight. If the way that you are maintaining intergenerationally high fertility rates is from disengaging with technology in a way that makes you less industrially productive than your neighbors, you do not actually have cultural autonomy. And people can say yeah, but what if we all just agree to go this way?

And it's yeah, but we don't live in that world, in other countries, there are going to be solutions to falling fertility rates that. Allow for technology engagement and industry, but that [00:05:00] also strip away things that, we would see as existential. For example, China might move towards forced insemination.

Or some fascist country will. And that will work to keep their fertility rate high and won't involve, Oh, nobody engages with a computer anymore. Nobody engages with an AI anymore. Some companies will likely begin to breed their own workers. We've talked about this before when that becomes a major issue, you're going to have companies breeding them likely without certain proteins so that the workers are permanently indebted to the company.

If you have gone with a traditionalist religious approach and that's how you got through that and that perch included. disengagement with modern technology, you are going to be stomped by these individuals or at least have to live in a world under their rules. And I do not want my kids living under a rule world of totalitarian fascist rules.

And if people are like, come on, how could they really impose on us? I'm sorry. We live in a world where today industry means better guns. In the future, it's going to mean better Terminator robots. The AIs we see [00:06:00] today, you think somebody's not going to be putting those in robots and giving them guns, especially if they're fascist inclined?

Don't kid yourself, Sunny. I think

Simone Collins: the problem is that right now There are many groups that are able to exist with the false sense of security because there are currently in many places in the world, governments that allow different groups to basically be exempt from military service and taxes and even having to work while maintaining their cultural autonomy.

And these groups can also. And there's this impression that one, we're allowed to do this and it's working now and it's fine. And two, we have way higher birth rates than the main culture, so we're just going to be giant. And I think there's just this lack of awareness or people are conveniently forgetting that it is these governments that are doing it.

That are low fertility that are currently bankrolling and also actively protecting the rights of these groups. And that as soon as those [00:07:00] groups do inevitably disappear, th