Not Everyone's Life Matters (Our Religion & the Elect)

In this video, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deeper into their religious views after their recent episode on the nature of truth and prophecy. They explain the concept of "the elect" - the idea that not all people are equally important in God's design.

They discuss the criteria for being among the elect, like having an impact on history according to your own intentions that aligns with the "Agents of Providence." They use examples like Hitler and Trump to illustrate this idea.

Simone highlights the virtues and downsides of believing in limited atonement. A benefit is less desire to forcibly convert people, but the arrogance of assuming others don't matter.

They talk about the importance of constantly questioning your own self-righteousness and searching for meaning when bad things happen to sharpen yourself. Overall, an introspective discussion on the role of predetermination and free will in their theological framework.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Prophets are individuals like Jesus or something like that who received special revelation and their revelation is made apparent to us both through their predictive capacity of future events and. through the spread and efficacy of their message and improving an individual's quality of life. The elect are different from profits. The elect are individuals who have a plan for their lives. Like, this is what I plan to do to have this outcome on the world population. This plan needs to, one, have been accurately executed. So they do need to have the impact that they had planned on having, and two, be in line with the will of the Agents of Providence so it basically means that they are using you as a vessel to bring about the future that must come to pass

from The Martyrdom of Man, persons with feeble and untrained intellects may live according to their conscience, But the conscience itself will be defective to [00:01:00] cultivate the intellect is there for a religious duty.

Would you like to know more?

Simone Collins: Malcolm.

Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. It is wonderful to be here with you today.

We recently released an episode on our religious beliefs that primarily ended up focusing on the concept of where we think like truth comes from, like how you can determine if an individual. is a prophet and how you can determine if an individual is being, and the will of God, like how do you determine what the will of God is?

And it went into, and in our case, what we think God is, just so people are broadly aware. is we think that God is our distant, distant, distant descendants, humanity's distant descendants, that in a million years, if humans are still around, whatever we have become in that time is closer to what today we would conceive of a God than what we today would conceive of as a human and that they don't relate to time in the way we relate to time.

So it's sort of [00:02:00] this self manifesting entity that reveals aspects of itself to People, throughout the civilization, our civilization's development, however when it's explaining itself to earlier iterations of people with less technology and less philosophical sophistication, it had to use simpler explanations.

But, we left that video with a cliffhanger, which was The concept of the elect, and it's something that we can dig into a lot on this video because it's a pretty important concept to our religious framework, and the gist of it is that not everyone's life matters equally. God does not care about everyone equally.

The, the agents of providence, we would call them, do not, not everyone is equally important in their design. And some people are holistically unimportant in their design. Do you want to go over your thoughts on this, Simone?

Simone Collins: Yeah well, I would say, like, [00:03:00] there's a, a larger Like, I guess, bifurcation of religious and metaphysical philosophies that, that all every, everyone has to make a call on this and each is kind of an a*****e for different reasons.

And I just want to like, make that clear. So there's, there's one group. That believes in limited atonement, which is really what we're describing here that like some people are saved or some people are important and others aren't and and and not all people are equal and that's not necessarily something that we're happy about.

It's just what we think to be true. And the, the. Upsides to this view, or I would say the virtues of this view, the nice things are that you're not going to see a lot of forcible conversions with these religions. And we're not the only ones who hold this view. There are lots of people who also Calvinists hold this view.

Jewish people hold this view, lots of groups. Right. And so they're, they're like, you know what? It's not our job to convert everyone. We cannot save everyone. That's not possible. So they're just, they're a lot less coercive. They're a lot less domineering because it's just not practical. But then on the, like on the downside or the [00:04:00] vice end, the, you know, they're just also like, ah, those people are lost or going to hell or unimportant or whatever, right?

Like they're somehow lesser or. You know, not saved or whatever. And that's, that kind of sucks because I mean, in a like very PC, everyone's happy world, everyone goes to heaven, everything's good. It's, it's great. Then there are religions and cultural views that believe that everyone can be saved. Obviously the virtue there is that everyone can go to heaven.

Everyone can be saved. Everyone can matter. The downside there is that there is then a. Genuine philosophical like values aligned imperative to convert people and to enforce

Malcolm Collins: your, your cultural beliefs on other people. So if you believe that certain continue,

Simone Collins: this means then that if you have like two groups that hold this view, like, Catholics and Muslims, for example both kind of, I think, interesting, correctly hold this view.

Not all

Malcolm Collins: Catholics and all Muslims

Simone Collins: hold this view, . Some do, right? Like, or like really heavy proselytizing ones. [00:05:00] Both are believable. The other group is going to go to hell if they don't convert to the correct religious view and the correct practices. So it is their imperative to through force or through convincing.

The convincing part is a nice way to do it. The force ways, the not nice way to do it. They have to switch everyone over. You kind of see I would say a secular. A secular version of this can be seen with antinatalism. Mm, yeah. That there are coercive antinatalists who would just like to forcibly sterilize or like literally kill everyone without their consent.

And then there's the antinatalists like Lawrence Anton and, and his, his cohort who we, we've spoken with and met with a person who would. who never want to coerce anyone, who only want to convince people. They both have the same end. There should be no humans anymore, and ideally no animals either. No sentient life.

However, they have very different approaches. So we're not saying that like I think

Malcolm Collins: you've drunk the Kool Aid a little here. I think that these groups historically typically don't try to [00:06:00] conver coerce people when they're in the minority. But when they gain control of governments, they almost always attempt to coerce people.

Well, but what we can

Simone Collins: say though, is that like the They're trying to do the right thing. They're trying

Malcolm Collins: to do the right thing, but they, they don't, they're not just trying to do the right thing. If they have control of a governing system, they have a moral m