Nick Fuentes: Catholics Or Jews ... USA Must Choose

In this episode, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deep into the historical and cultural dynamics between Catholics and Jews, using Nick Fuentes’ controversial statements as a springboard for discussion. They explore the roots of anti-Catholic sentiment in America, the differences between Catholicism and other Christian denominations, and the evolving role of both groups in U.S. society and politics.

The conversation covers:

* The founding of America as an anti-church nation and the implications for Catholics and Jews

* Nick Fuentes’ critiques of Israel and the Vatican, and how these perspectives fit into broader geopolitical realities

* The influence of both Catholics and Jews in American culture, from Hollywood to political power structures

* The Vatican’s historical and current stances on issues like immigration, capitalism, and alliances with other faiths

* The importance of pluralism, pragmatic alliances, and understanding the real differences between religious and cultural groups

Whether you’re interested in history, religion, politics, or just want a nuanced take on a hot-button topic, this episode offers thoughtful analysis, historical context, and a bit of humor along the way.

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Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are continuing from an episode that went very long, that was on Nick Fuentes. And as Nick Fuentes says, you’ve gotta pick a side. Is it the Catholics or is it the Jews? And in this episode we’re gonna go over his accusations about Israel and the Jews, which that he made in the Tuck of Carlson interview, which are.

Mostly accurate. But they leave out the context, which is, but then if I am making a decision between the Vatican and those loyal to the Vatican and the Jews, and those loyal to Israel which is a more antagonistic partner to the United States which has stabbed us in the back more frequently and more, well stabbed us in the face more directly when you’re talking about the Vatican.

Mm-hmm. And, and which is a more useful long-term partner in terms of the future of human civilization when we look at existing trends. Okay. And I, and I’m, and again, I’m saying all this, it’s like Nick’s broadly right [00:01:00] around most of the criticisms he has around Israel. And the biggest criticism he has, which is the one that I agree most fervently with him on, is if you.

And if you watch our video before this on Nick that I strongly suggest, I think it’s a great video of you are not familiar with American history and how anti-Catholic America’s founding was. It was essentially founded to be an anti-church country. An anti no. Malcolm

Simone Collins: blew my mind on this one because you’d think that we were taught that enough school.

No,

Malcolm Collins: no. It’s why it’s so ridiculous when he is like, America’s a Christian nation. And I’m like,

Simone Collins: you mean America’s a Catholic nation?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. No, he said America is a Christian nation, not a Judeo-Christian nation. And I’m like, America is an anti-Catholic, anti Anglican nation. Not just a, not a normal, it’s a Christian nation founded in opposition to high church Christianity.

Mm. And very explicitly and very loudly with lots of receipts with even a cardinal saying this you know, this is not like me [00:02:00] or a conspiracy this is mainstream. If, if you’re familiar with it’s well

Simone Collins: attested and Malcolm has the receipts go to that episode. It’s very interesting.

Malcolm Collins: So the, the, the reason why that episode was important for framing for this episode is I think some people when they try to do the sleigh of hand is it’s, Catholics are just another form of Christian and it’s like.

That has never been true in American history. That’s not true in terms of the value sets of different Christian traditions as we’ve talked about. If you, if you look at even their metrics for truth, right? They are very different. And that difference has become important again very recently. Where if you look historically, what was the reformation about?

It was a conflict between two groups. One said that true should be determined by people who spent their entire life studying a subject. And then so. Somebody couldn’t just claim to be an expert on the subject certified by a central authority, and then another group of people, which is a perfectly reasonable way of doing things.

Yeah. Group of people came up and said, but that central authority could become corrupt, [00:03:00] so we should have truth determined by the individual. Which is also a perfectly reasonable retort. Right. But this is also the exact same fight we had with COVID. And we saw during this fight, the Catholic majority areas cited with the like, which was the, the inner cities, which is where Catholics mostly settled, cited with the trust of people who spent their entire life studying this subject.

And then the Protestant majority areas settled with the, every decision should be made by the individual, not declared experts because those certifying institutions can become corrupt. And, and what I’m pointing out here is that culturally Catholics are very, very different from other Christian denominations.

And so when people are like, oh, you gotta be worried about the Jews, to me this is a bit like an elf whispering to me. You gotta be worried about those dwarfs, you know, they may be very industrious and good at metal crafting and making jewels, oh my god, are dwarfs the, that very stubborn. They remember things for a long time.

They are very good with [00:04:00] engineering.

Speaker: One wrong put right. But the great book of grudges

remains full.

Malcolm Collins: No, but I’ve, I always sort of study it this way. The dwarves are the Jews and the Catholics are the ELs. Yeah. , And you can ally with both of them at the same time, but you’ve gotta be aware that if one of them then steps out and says, no, I refuse to be allied with you.

If you’re allied with the other faction, you gotta choose which one you’re gonna stay allies with. Yes. And we, we

Simone Collins: need, we need to bring back Lego a lesson Gimley, you know,

Malcolm Collins: we could be friends. Yes. And the reality is, is that Nick Fuentes is a minority Catholic opinion. Most Catholics are okay with saying you can be allied with both the Catholics and the Jews.

And if that’s an option, I wanna be allies with both. Yeah, right. But if somebody comes out and says, you gotta choose one America, I’m gonna argue that you’d have to be pants on head retarded to choose the [00:05:00] Catholics given current demographic economic trends and their stated goals and their historic positions.

So here’s the Nick Fuentes quote.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Israel hosts zero bases sins. Zero troops during war, gives false intelligence, sells our secrets to China, has no oil spies on us and is a diplomatic liability US gives infinite foreign aid and weapons, fights their wars, brides their enemies and , covers their but in the un.

Now if you watch the last episode, you’ll know one thing here is just patently a lie that the US gives Israel infinite money. And I pointed out that actually if you look at Catholic majority countries and you look at the average amount of aid we give to Israel a year those numbers are not that different.

We give about the same amount of yearly aid to Catholic majority countries as we give to Israel on a yearly