Most Males Wash Out of the Gene Pool

Join us as we dive into the concept of the perpetual male genocide and the harsh realities men face in today's dating world. From the historical bottleneck of the Y chromosome to modern fertility rates, we explore the challenges men encounter while trying to find a partner. We'll also touch on societal expectations, gender roles, and the intricate dance between men's and women's evolving roles. Are women inadvertently making it harder for themselves by pushing for equality? How does this impact men's chances of passing on their genes? We'll navigate these questions and more in this thought-provoking episode.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone! I'm excited to talk to you today. Today we are going to be talking about the perpetual male genocide. Ooh! And this is to say that males are in the process of being genocided in a way that's kind of irrelevant. Not, not for males, but for humans. But that it is something that has been going on for a long time throughout all of human history.

And I think I would

Simone Collins: argue it's been happening since Genders existed, sexes existed.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and I'd argue that

It's important to internalize this in your world model, especially if you are a male and you are out there trying to date because if you don't you will make the mistake of so many males I've heard who are out there dating and they're just go it's just so hard. It's so Unfair I'm just not gonna find a partner.

It's like Yeah, [00:01:00] yeah, it is really. What do you mean? It's like, yeah, it is unfair and hard and you need to get through that. And it's not even the hardest it's been. So, for example, when they're like, oh, come on, it couldn't have always could be worse in the past between 8000 to 4000 years ago, there was a pronounced reduction in Y chromosome diversity, indicating a genetic bottleneck in male heritage.

The period consides the transition from a hunter gatherer society to agricultural societies, known as the Neolithic period. While the exact ratio varies depending on the study and methodology, one striking estimate suggests that for every man who reproduced, 17 women did. Oof. So as bad as things are now Yeah, you think it's bad now.

They were worse for your ancestors.

Simone Collins: And as it stands now, tell me if I have this wrong, in the United States, around 61 percent of men have kids versus like 80 percent of women. Yes. So, I mean, it's admittedly bad. You've [00:02:00] basically got a coin toss as to whether or not you're, you're going to pass on your line at all. And this is having kids.

You know, we still argue that if you have one kid, you know, you've already basically halved your genetic future. I mean, you haven't replaced yourself at all. You need to have more than two kids for that. So. Yeah, I mean, I wish there were better stats for us on like the number of men who have had three or more Children because that's who I would say has actually survived, you know, who's actually going to make it into the future.

What I do know is that under 5 percent of women in America have more than five children.

Malcolm Collins: So by the way, this is from Pew, it's 86 percent of women ages 40 to 44 are mothers and this was in 2018.

Simone Collins: Oh wow. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: 86 percent Except I think

Simone Collins: most of those have only one or two and again, like only five have more than five.

And you know, those are the ones who I really see as.

Malcolm Collins: And I contrast that 86 percent was in the same study, 61 percent of men. Now I want you to contrast those two numbers with [00:03:00] over 50 percent of Gen X women planning to have no kids at all. If you're wondering how quickly population rates are going to drop, or how much harder things are for you than your parents generation, I am reminded of that scene when people are like, well, surely like everyone who tries and puts their all into this is going to make it through.

I'm like, no, no, no, no. You don't get how bad it is. In Starship Troopers there's this scene where they're like, oh, it's just. Random flashes of light. And it's just like, it's just random statistical anomalies whenever there's like a low birthrate country. And I'm like, no! No, it's not! This is catastrophic!

And then it's, Someone made a mistake! Someone made a big f*****g mistake! And, and, and the mistake is so big the ships are going down.

Okay?

Bug batteries. According to military intelligence, it'll be random

Gibson fertility rate.

[00:04:00] Daddy as she goes. Number two,

this isn't random

Malcolm Collins: Gibson fertility rate.

Someone made a mistake. Someone made a big goddamn mistake.

Malcolm Collins: And when there's the guy who's looking at me and it's like, well why, why wasn't I able to get a partner? It's like, sometimes it's just luck of the draw. Sometimes it's just, but the game is harder than it has ever been.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Or at least in the past hundred years or so. No I'll note here in a recent video, if you were like, oh Malcolm, you have no idea how hard it is for men in the dating market right now.

No I do. But when I give advice, like if you are not panicked at 25 and unmarried, you're not going to have a lot of kids and keep your genes in the gene pool. This advice, is it [00:05:00] taking into account health fair? That advice is it's taking into account. That that advice is intended for somebody whose genes are going to stay in the gene pool.

And that is still true for that section of our audience. The vast majority of the male audience on this show is just not going to reproduce likely. That's the reality of the world that we live in right now. So when I give advice, On of this is how you find a wife or something like that. And you're like, well, that light advice would never apply to me is because. It's not intended for you.

You were unlikely to secure a wife anyway. , it's intended for the person who was likely to have like six or seven kids and secure a wife. Which is a smaller segment of the audience. And you can say, well, why don't you give advice that applies to all the men in the audience. Because then I'd be lying. You know, as well as I do how hard it is out there. That's why the advice I give is designed for the subsection who actually has a chance.

People have big income, so normalized to the [00:06:00] influencer grifter who goes out there and tells guys, Hey, have you just do X, Y, and Z, that everything will work out for you. I'm not that kind of influencer. I will tell you, there are a huge portion of guys out there where you go out and you do X, Y, and Z.

It's still not going to work for you because things are just that hard. So when I give advice, it has to be. Attuned for the people who might actually get through this.

But I would note here that everyone should be acting as if they are one of the people who is likely to get through this, because there's no point in acting in any other way.

As we say, if you're in a trolley and you don't know if it's a yellow or blue trolley, but you know that on yellow trolleys, when you hit the red button in the center, it stops and doesn't go off the cliff.

Because you don't know for certain, even if you think it's very likely you're in a blue trolley, it's still worth slamming that button.

I think that training montage and kill bill is a good example of what modern dating is like.

[00:07:00] Huh! Ah! Hmph! You're finished! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Malcolm Collins: And I also ain't no Jorda