Monster Girls & Evolutionary Biology (Are Gingers Monster Girls?)

In this eye-opening discussion, Malcolm and Simone delve into the fascinating world of paraphilias, more commonly known as fetishes. They explore how these seemingly unusual attractions can provide insights into human neurology and evolutionary conditions. The couple examines the prevalence of "monster girl" fetishes across various cultures and historical contexts, and how they relate to super stimuli and innate disgust responses. Malcolm and Simone also discuss how certain physical traits, such as hair and eye color, may have evolved due to extreme mate selection in specific populations. Throughout the conversation, they emphasize the importance of understanding and contextualizing one's own sexuality to avoid shame, addiction, and harmful behaviors. Join them for this thought-provoking and educational discussion on the complexities of human sexuality.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, gorgeous. Hello, Simone. So this is the subject that I particularly find interesting. And a lot of people are surprised. They're like, why are you interested in obscure paraphilias, which are more commonly known in the public as fetishes? And the answer is, is because it tells us a lot about human neurology, human evolutionary conditions, and the way humans think more broadly.

And people might be like, wait, wait, wait, what do you mean by that? Right? So if you see an impulse that exists across a broad breadth of the human population, but doesn't appear like it would have been selected for in an evolutionary context, like it wouldn't have increased the number of surviving offspring they had, you have found One of two things.

Either you have shown that you misunderstand the [00:01:00] environmental context that humanity evolved in and that something that seems like it would have been a maladaptive behavior was actually a positive behavior, which is very interesting if you find that but then the other. thing that you may have found is you have found a way that the brain essentially breaks or a pathway doesn't work correctly, but doesn't work correctly in a way that happens over and over and over again in different humans, which tells you something about like if trains keep flying onto a road at a certain point you can tell broadly, at least in one area.

Where a train track is likely supposed to be and like the speed of trains on that train tracks and where trains are turning on that train track. Now, this becomes especially interesting in the world of fetishes and paraphilias. Because this is a very common area where you see something [00:02:00] that is very clearly a hard coded biological instinct in individuals. Cross culturally

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Malcolm Collins: , people will say, Oh no, well this is all like modern internet stuff that's causing this. And we'll get into that argument in a second. Well, I can get into it right now. It's just very obviously not. If you look in a historic context most of the paraphilias you see today, like sadism and stuff like that, you're going to see in like the Marquis de Sade, for example, which was definitely in a pre internet context, or you see in the British vice, which was a so common a fetish among British people.

They called it the British vice, which was men who liked being spanked by battles by women.

Here is James Joyce writing about farts. Big fat fellows, long windy ones, quick little Mary cracks, and a lot of tiny little naughty forties ending in a large gush from your whole

I think I could pick hers out in a room full of flirting women. It is a rather girlish noise, not like the wet, windy fart, which I imagine fat [00:03:00] wives have. It is sudden and dry and dirty. Like a bold girl would let off in fund in a school dormitory at night. I hope Nora will let off no end of her farts in my face. So that I may know with her smell also, so people will be like, oh yeah, Weird stuff like farting pouring that that's like from weird Brazilian.

No. It was around the time of James Joyce.

Malcolm Collins: So, if you see a fetish today, you will. That is common. You will almost always see it in a historic context. And today we are going to discuss the concept of Monster Girls because Monster Girls and Monster Boys are something that you see pretty frequently in pornography.

And Hint High. However, it is also something. That, like, doesn't really make sense from an evolutionary context. Why would you be attracted to something that's not human? And a person can go, Oh, come on, this doesn't appear in historic [00:04:00] stuff. And I'm like are you not familiar with your Greek myths?

How seriously talk about like the plurality of sex that happens in Greek myths, the swans, the cows, I would say like a good hat or various monstrous creatures or height. Yeah. Or people are like, wow, but it didn't happen in the medieval period.

And I'm like, you are clearly not familiar with medieval fairy tales or medieval sort of folk horrors.

You know, it was actually folk horrors. Folk horrors. Incubuses, succubuses, stuff like that. They didn't look like humans. They'd have like, various animal body parts and stuff like that. And people will be like, okay, well, how common is this stuff really? So if you look at like. Oh yeah, like the

Simone Collins: folklore.

Like marrying a mermaid and a seal woman or whatever. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So when we did stats on this vampires 21 percent of females consume erotic content, tied to the 7 percent of males werewolves, 14 percent of females, [00:05:00] 2 percent of males. An Android 7 percent of females, 8 percent of males, an alien, 13 percent of females, 8 percent of males, a dwarf, the fictional race, 8 percent of females, 7 percent of males, a dwarf, the fictional race, 2 percent of females.

Four 8% of males, goo people 2% of females, 4% of males. It's a deep cut furries, 5% of each half human, half animals 7% fe females, 4% males 7%.

Simone Collins: I mean, wow. Yeah. So we talking half like a horse. What are they called? Horsemen or half of them? Yeah. So

Malcolm Collins: if you're like, Oh, well, that's a small number.

Well, if you contrast those numbers with the numbers who, for example, consume erotic content with two men having sex, that's 21 percent of females and 7 percent of males. Yeah. So it's about as common as watching, for example gay male porn. You know, I

Simone Collins: don't know, like [00:06:00] there in this, we should probably someday do a whole deep dive on.

The genre of yaoi in Japan too, and yaoi is

Malcolm Collins: boy love stuff, which is, and you can see what I think would surprise people is the majority of people consume, consuming man on man porn are women, by more than double.

Simone Collins: This is both straight and lesbian identifying women. Of course, we argue that women don't really exist on the Kinsey scale.

They exist on a dominant submission scale.

Malcolm Collins: But people can look at our book on sexuality if they want to read more on this. But this brings us back to the question of monster women, right? What could be causing this? So you can come up with a few hypotheses. Maybe this was about and this is sort of how science is done, right?

Like if people were like, how do you do sort of gentleman science in your book? So you could say, Well, maybe it's correlated with like a village was raided or something like that. And so you would [00:07:00] see the Raiders as monstrous, but need to be attracted to them to be able to survive the raid. Right. And it's like, well, if that's the case, then you are likely to see two things.

One is a cross correlation between this and masochi