Male Virginity Stats & What Happens to Women When Too Many Women are Around?

Analyzing studies on virgins and dating behavior, we break down surprising trends. Contrary to assumptions, porn users and risk-takers are much less likely to be virgins. We argue lack of motivation stemming from external locus of control better explains celibacy, alongside female adaptation to gender ratios that incentivize careers over relationships. Ultimately, we must culturally promote diligence in men and socially engineer maximal coed interactions.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] They'll talk about things like, and you see this constantly like, oh, it's the porn that's making everyone virgins these days. Well, it turns out that they're basically wrong on all these fronts.

Whether or not you watch porn regularly had a huge effect on whether or not you had been able to sleep with someone before the age of 26.

Simone Collins: Just not the way you expect.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah of the people who had slept with somebody 80 percent They use porn regularly, so a bit over 80 percent. Of the people who were virgins, 64 percent. Mhm.

They found a really persistent trend in the data.

Which was that women when they believed that when in actuality it was true or when they had recently been primed with crowds where there were more women than men chose career pathways instead of marriage pathways [00:01:00] But where this it gets really interesting is the change in gender demographics within college campuses.

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Simone Collins: First off, I have to just thank you for being MVP of the day where I am a super distracted and sleep deprived and stressed out and crying. So I go on business calls with her on my back through the park and of course, I don't properly latch the fence and then the professor gets out and I go around trying to find her and I can't and then you just save the day, not only finding the professor.

But also our dog, by the way, our, our dear Corgi giving our son Octavian the best day and experience of the week by introducing him to the park ranger who valiantly. I found the professor and put him in, put her in the car and I'm just, thank you. I really appreciate

Malcolm Collins: it.

Simone Collins: So that was my [00:02:00] bad.

Malcolm Collins: That was my bad. Well, I am excited to be here with you today because today. We are talking about virgins, dating, and what's the cause of the incel

Simone Collins: crisis.

Yeah, I am very excited.

Malcolm Collins: Actually, Simone, I'm going to take a quick aside here. I don't know if I talked over this in a previous podcast. There was a Reddit thread that was on changes in dating behavior.

No. Okay. Well, I can read it because we may have talked about it, but it's relevant to this. My 20 year old son doesn't date. His friends don't date. My friend's kids don't date. What's going on? When I was in my late teens and early twenties, life for my friends and me revolved around meeting girls.

My son and his friends are athletic and outgoing. Don't seem to put a lot of emphasis on dating. They play a lot of online video games and have a lot of boys outings. Once in a while they will hook up with a random girl who they met on an app. Rarely does one have a girlfriend. This seems to be the norm for my friend's kids too.

What's going on? And we [00:03:00] did

Simone Collins: tweet this. And I looked through the comments, and there seems to be a couple of common themes. So, one is and this was what surprised me the most of the comments, something that didn't occur to me before. Several people argued Effectively that there's a balkanization of culture that's taking place that in the past, like, when you and I were in high school, if you were to animate, you weren't to animate.

Whereas now, like. No, you have to like, there are specific obscure shows, like there are all these different subsets of people who are into anime.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, that's BS. This was true when we were in high school as well. If I went to my, like, I, you know, dated around like with punk indie girls and stuff like that, and if you didn't know the right punk indie bands, it wasn't just knowing punk indie bands, you needed to know the right punk indie bands.

So I disagree.

Simone Collins: Okay, another argument was the infantilization of youth, which of course we agree and we talk about that all the time. That's totally an issue.

Malcolm Collins: I think it's more than that. And I think what we learn is causing it is from the statistics because the [00:04:00] statistics don't show what you think you would show.

So there was a study done recently. We're going to talk about two big studies on, on, on various changes in dating behavior, but we'll start with this one.

Simone Collins: Yeah, in the Journal of Sex Health 2021,

Malcolm Collins: it studied about 5, 000 young men, a bit over that who were still, let's be clear, 26

Simone Collins: Swiss young men. And that always makes me look at things a little bit differently.

But the, the study is called for those who want to read it. Virgins at age 26. Who are they? Which I love is the title. It's great. So

Malcolm Collins: a lot of the stuff that they found was very much what you would think they would found. Like obese people are more likely to be virgins. People with more mental health issues are more likely to be virgins.

But there were a few things that were like really, really big factors in the study that I think would really surprise some people. Oh,

Simone Collins: absolutely. This all makes sense to me. Okay, go on.

Malcolm Collins: Well, because [00:05:00] a, a lot of people, if you look at like the red pill sphere and stuff like that, you know, and they talk about what makes someone a virgin, or they talk about like, what are some of the problems that are leading to this?

They'll talk about things like pornography use. They'll talk about things like, and you see this constantly like, oh, it's the porn that's making everyone virgins these days. They'll talk about things like. Dating apps and stuff like that, which we do think has changed female expectations, but they're like, I will find a girl through not engaging with these platforms.

Right. Instead, some of the strong, Oh, and also they'll talk about how guys like, aren't being disciplined enough. Like they're not, you know, they're, they're wasting their lives on like drugs and alcohol instead of like getting out there and dating. Right. Well, it turns out that they're basically wrong on all these fronts.

Whether or not you watch porn regularly had a huge effect on whether or not you had been able to [00:06:00] sleep with someone before the age of 26.

Simone Collins: Just not the way you expect.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah of the people who had slept with somebody 80 percent They use porn regularly, so a bit over 80 percent. Of the people who were virgins, 64 percent.

Mhm. That's a huge

Simone Collins: difference. Yeah. Well, dating apps, right? That, that being less likely to have used a dating app correlates with being a virgin. So if you're using it,

Malcolm Collins: let's talk about dating apps with dating apps. It was 53. 6 percent for non virgins. And then for virgins, it was only 35. 5%.

Simone Collins: And I think this is all pointing to the raw egg nationalist argument, isn't it?

What is that? That, that men are beco