Is A Cult Using the Trans Movement for Cover?

In this eye-opening episode, Malcolm and Simone dive deep into the complexities of the modern trans movement and its potential impact on vulnerable youth. Drawing from personal experiences and extensive research into cult psychology, they explore the fine line between genuine gender dysphoria and the allure of a "trans cult" that may lead non-trans individuals to make life-altering decisions.

Malcolm argues that the current cultural climate, combined with the challenges of puberty and the desire for social acceptance, has created a perfect storm for young people to be drawn into a "trans cult" that promises affirmation and belonging. He distinguishes between the experiences of truly trans individuals and those who may be influenced by social contagion, emphasizing the need for nuanced conversations and support systems.

Simone shares her own struggles with body dysmorphia and the role of media in shaping unrealistic expectations. Together, they discuss the importance of strong family relationships, carefully curated friend groups, and open, honest discussions about gender identity and the potential consequences of transitioning.

The conversation also delves into the politicization of the trans movement, the erosion of parental rights, and the dangers of demonizing or sheltering children from these complex issues. Malcolm and Simone offer practical advice for parents seeking to protect their children from harmful influences while fostering understanding and compassion.

Whether you're a parent, an educator, or simply someone trying to make sense of the rapidly evolving landscape of gender identity, this thought-provoking discussion is essential listening.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] You need to look at this like a kid who's going into this. You are in a group where you are being teased for being different from whatever, right? Like everybody feels this way when they're, when they're going through puberty,

Simone Collins: your body changing, your body getting gross, stinky things happening that don't make you feel good, extreme mood fluctuations, which of course make you more volatile.

Like women get hit hard by, you know, things that are moving them more towards feelings of depression. And extreme social anxiety as well. Like you, you feel like you stick out like a sore thumb, you desperately want to belong and yet nothing really seems to fit in terms of something you belong to.

Like all these things, it's just the perfect storm for, for some form of, Oh, this is a solution. And you are desperate

Malcolm Collins: for affirmation. Then you hear the, this is the solution to all this. And keep in mind, by the definitions of trans in today's society, Simone and I are actually trans. I'm just pointing that out to point out that I have no animosity towards this community, and I was in the GSA growing up, everything like that, . this should be [00:01:00] as concerning to actual trans people as it should be to everyone else. Because it leads to these individuals who are joining what is essentially an extremist cult beginning to represent the mainstream trans movement an actually trans person, just wants to live their life as the other gender.

These individuals aren't like that. They just want to preach the cult message. Like once they join, all they care about is all of the things that differentiate the cult from the mainstream cultural group. this is actually, I find to be the core difference between the trans cult and the real trans movement.

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Simone Collins: So, Malcolm, I was at this grassroots political event as I'm running for office now state rep in Pennsylvania. And I got really frustrated at this event. And I'm getting concerned in general about the points of focus among conservative voters who I, as a Republican candidate am courting because they seem to be focused on important issues.

But the [00:02:00] wrong things. So for example as we've discussed in numerous podcasts, conservatives are very concerned about the urban monoculture, essentially erasing their culture, you know, taking their kids and making their kids hate them and leave their culture and generally be miserable people and, you know, I, they don't want that and they don't like seeing that happen, but then what they're focusing on in terms of like actual local issues are things like.

Oh, they're making, they're, they're letting anyone go into girls bathrooms or locker rooms. And I'm like, dude, like teach, you know, teach your daughter self defense. And have her punch out whoever comes at her in the wrong way. I'm way more concerned about if I had a daughter in any school, public or private her coming to me one day and saying, I am in the wrong body and I am going to kill myself if I cannot.

Change my gender right now.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I [00:03:00] want to talk about this in, in like a wider context here. So I want to be clear for our audience. I think that is transness. So we'll talk about transness in different contexts here. I think some historic, like true form of transness. is a real phenomenon that happens to some individuals.

Well, you know, if we do genuine, like if gender matters, right? Like if, if we do actually have like an internal gender in terms of how he perceives the world, it would only be natural or logical that some deformity within that would exist as well. That some individuals would be born. With the wrong sort of gender expression or gender impulses.

But if we look at a horror historic context this is a fairly rare phenomenon, much rarer than something like being born with abnormal arousal pathways in which you are attracted to similar gender individuals and stuff like that. However with that said, and [00:04:00] this is what really got me interested in this this morning is I was talking with my wife and she was like, If the trans movement existed when I was in high school, I would have been trans.

Eva Movet had existed when I was going through these processes that, that, because she had anorexia. She had intense gender dysmorphia or body dysmorphia, where she felt really, really uncomfortable with how she looked going through puberty to the point that it almost ended up killing her. And it's why she cannot you know, conceive naturally anymore.

So, so she did extreme things in an attempt to resolve this body dysmorphia that she had. If there had been a community that told her if you do x and y you will both be affirmed by a community, they'll tell you you're great, we love you, you know, love bombing, however you want to put it, like, you, you are perfect as you are, and that it would fix this for her, that she would no [00:05:00] longer have this she would have gone all in with that community.

And so. And, and keep in mind, she fits all of the demographics that are typically associated with trans ness, right? Like, i. e., autistic individuals, like her, are much more likely to become trans. Individuals who are really high IQ, like, in terms of output, or like, top of their class, also much more likely to become trans.

So, she fits a lot of these. So, when I look at this, I'm like, my kids, that I'm having with this woman, are of this category. And I see this To not diminish actual trans identity, but to say that someone like her could have become trans, could have been living life as a trans person today, and not know that if they hadn't known that was an option, they could have chosen a different life path where they would have been much happier.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Or even like where things would have been less expensive. I mean, fully going trans can also mean a lot of medical procedures, [00:06:00] ongoing hormone therapy. It's just an expensive way to live. Kind of how, like my