Hamza: How the Red Pill Can Destroy Your Life

In this thought-provoking discussion, Malcolm and Simone delve into the world of male influencer Hamza and the growing trend of optimizing one's life around an aesthetic ideal of masculinity. They explore the similarities between this movement and the trans community, both of which prioritize gender identity as a central focus. The hosts also examine the cultural differences in gender roles and expectations, particularly between traditional American and Muslim or Eastern European backgrounds. They argue that defining one's moral system around an aesthetic can lead to despair and that true fulfillment comes from pursuing goals with intrinsic value. The discussion touches on the importance of finding a life partner who complements one's own values and the dangers of maintaining a false "frame" in relationships.

[00:00:00] basically I'm starting the fatherhood chapter of my life. We're not pregnant just yet, but we've moved to the Scottish Highlands,

The reason why me and my ex split up is I told her to sit down and to write down like her goals and I wrote, you know what, I want to move to like a big city.

You will not find this kind of woman who will fit with this lifestyle in a big major city why?

The women who are in the big cities are glorified Instagram prostitution.

I actually want to have a few like, Sleepless nights.

I want to have a few likes like sleep deprived nights where I stay up late bro for the last few years I've been to sleep at 7 8 p. m I've you couldn't imagine the amount of like parties and social events and dinners that I've missed

I know what goes on in these parties And the issue was that the girls that I was meeting from these places, just like I, I was as well, um, We're all low quality.

It's a low quality place to be.

. I wanted to be super social. I wanted to have some late nights where we stay up and we're social and there's a party that we go to and everything.

But she saw it, and I'm not gonna lie, like, I could see how, like, offended she was. Where she was quite, like, [00:01:00] pressuring, she was like, Wait, you wanna do this? Oh, you wanna do that? You wanna stay up late? But that's unhealthy.

Those party girls, like the party, low quality, degenerate, TikTok type of girls.

They are attracted to the party, low quality, degenerate, TikTok type of guys. Fine, like trash can stay with trash.

Because for hers, she wrote that she wanted to do more of the things that we were currently doing. , it's wholesome as f**k, and you know that she's an awesome girl for that, she doesn't want to be around like, You know, like party girls and whatever I just realized like we're actually going into two separate seasons right now

Fine, like trash can stay with trash. This is going to sound weird, you need to be hit in the face. I will repeat that again. As a young man, you need to be hit in the face consistently.

Malcolm Collins: but the problem is that when you Define your moral system around an aesthetic.

It needs to be witnessed to have value. And when he got to the countryside, there was no one to witness affirmation from the social community

Would you like to know more?

Simone Collins: Hello.

Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone! [00:02:00] Recently I fell down a rabbit hole trying to learn about this Influencer named Hamza, .

The men of this country in general, unless they follow me, are f*****g weak. The only strong men in this entire f*****g country, in the entire west, are just the ones who are part of my cult, who have followed my advice and become strong from that.

Every f*****g other guy here is basically just a f*****g pussy. They're all just weak as f**k.

if you put some of your money into a company like Apple, or you put it into like, you know, the big like index funds like Apple and like 500 different companies, you're giving them money to help them with their business.

And you're hoping that since they think that you're a good boy, they'll give you a little bit more money in return. I think your, your PP size has to be very small for that, because if you understand this concept of investing, why would you invest in someone else's business instead of your own?

Malcolm Collins: He is a London based influencer that is seen as like a new big figure in the, I guess I'd call male aesthetic movement.

Simone Collins: Like Lux [00:03:00] Maxxing?

Malcolm Collins: Not exactly Lux Maxxing. It's the movement that, I would say that an individual like

Simone Collins: Rye Nationalist?

Malcolm Collins: No, Andrew Tate would be a leading figure.

Ah,

Simone Collins: okay. Performative masculinity. Performative

Malcolm Collins: masculinity for the sake of performative masculinity. And I think it's really shown in a lot of his videos because Whitney, he asks himself and you'll actually see this in the Hamza video. So just so people know he became very famous. He's got like 2. 3 million subscribers on YouTube.

And. Regularly in his videos, he will ask

himself should I do X or Y? And the metric he uses when deciding X or Y is what fulfills my potential as a man? What is the more masculine thing to do, or the thing that is more like a man to do?

Mediocre man would get the vision that I did and he'd start training a few hours a week.

The superior man would go and live in a fight camp. The superior man, the man who's [00:04:00] really like on this, would literally go and live amongst the fighters and the warriors and Live amongst them, eat amongst them, and be revolving around this lifestyle as much as possible. And four months later, he uploads Why I Never Became a Fighter. Well, at least he did give it a whole four months. At the end of the day, the first day of being in this fight camp, I go and sit down and journal in my room.

And I just ask myself a question, is this authentic? So you're telling me he quit this newfound metamorphosis after one day,

This is going to sound weird, you need to be hit in the face. I will repeat that again. As a young man, you need to be hit in the face consistently.

Simone Collins: In the pragmatist guide to life where you talk about, just like people's objective functions and what they should maximize their existence around.

You give thought experiments going over any possible thing, be it hedonism or serving God or negative utilitarianism, like you're all over the place, right? The one thing, because you're very unbiased in that book, the one thing that [00:05:00] you s**t all over is people whose objective function revolves around an identity or an aesthetic, which is exactly what you're describing here.

So hopefully this gets really salty really fast.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah I, Oh I'm excited to get salty. And the last time, because we regularly talk about how the problem with gender dysphoria and a gender fixation is not just a problem on the left, on the left, this was in the trans movement where people make their entire identity, their gender, but Is not Andrew Tate's a huge chunk of his identity, his gender, and the people who follow him following him because they're trying to be more like a perfect man.

And in the comments to that video, one of the commenters said I feel so much better and more fulfilled since I started optimizing around, my masculinity or man like things, and I was like you sound like a trans person would tell me the same thing. Like I feel so much more fulfilled since I started optimizing my life around my gender.

It's not that this isn't able to create a feedback cycle that can make you [00:06:00] feel as if you are living a fu