Grooming Gangs & The Cover Up (Was I Wrong About Multiculturalism?)

In this episode, we explore the horrifying and prolonged issue of grooming gangs involving Pakistani immigrants in the UK. We delve into the extensive networks of perpetrators, the victims' stories, and the shocking inaction by authorities. We discuss the cultural and systemic factors contributing to this crisis and critique the political and social structures that have allowed these atrocities to continue unchallenged. The episode also covers public and governmental responses, media coverage disparities, the influence of prominent figures like Elon Musk in bringing attention to the issue, and potential future outcomes.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, Simone! Today we are going to be talking about grooming gangs! Because while this is not new news, or it should not be new news, because it's been going on for quite a while there have been extensive networks of grooming gangs of Pakistani immigrants within the UK. Where they would take young girls and What's the word here?

S A them? You know, it's basically like,

Speaker 3: He's snatching your people up, trying to rape them, so y'all need to hide your kids, hide your wife, and hide your hood, because they raping everybody out here.

Simone Collins: Yeah, well, no, basically, basically what had happened was starting in the early ish 2010s, this became a more pervasive practice. Basically, an industry arose when selling hard drugs became a little bit too criminally dangerous.

So what instead started to happen was, Was the flourishing and growth of the purchase and sale of sexual services. But in a very not good way in [00:01:00] that these communities and this, this is one of those things where, okay crimes. Tend to, I've noticed in terms of crimes that have been committed against us.

They, they tend to meme their way through often cultural or ethnic communities. Like just, just, I think like careers do too, you know, like suddenly, you know, everyone's a doctor and like, you had

Malcolm Collins: a huge reason for it to meme its way through this community because the police weren't doing anything about it.

And yes, well,

Simone Collins: but anyway, like I would just say. Let's point out that like there are lots of weird, like kind of, esoteric crimes that do tend to be culturally siloed, not just because you're Pakistani or whatever could be because you're Italian or because you're Irish or because I'm sorry, Simona,

Malcolm Collins: I have a literally, and I mean this literally, I have never heard of widespread grape gangs that were not this one particular,

Simone Collins: no, I'm referring to like completely random different types of crimes.

Like, Remember in the travel agency world? No, but

Malcolm Collins: the [00:02:00] point I'm making is that it counters the point you're making, okay?

Simone Collins: I

Malcolm Collins: understand, you're right, it is true that sometimes a crime idea will meme its way through one particular ethnic, religious, or cultural community. And you are attempting to say that is how this particular practice spread within this community.

The counterpoint I am making is I had literally not heard of widespread grape gangs outside of this one particular community ever. And yet I find it within the countries where this religion is practiced frequently, and I find it within the communities that immigrate from this country. And that's because

Simone Collins: it correlates with a cultural dehumanization of women.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Yeah, but I'm just pointing out here. It's not like an accident that there was a question. No,

Simone Collins: it's not an accident. And I think there's an interesting discussion to be had there. But at any rate, this became sort of a meme within this community when other sorts of crime and money making amongst we'll say free [00:03:00] radicals, like sort of, Young men especially, but also like, like live, like married men with jobs in the community were getting involved in this started doing this.

And what would happen is you'd get like the, the sourcing happened with young men, often like starting to date women who were sometimes like middle class normal, like women in the UK, but often, more often like lower class down and out, like struggling young women. And they would give them, they would love bomb them, give them tons of attention.

Underage

Malcolm Collins: women. Underage

Simone Collins: women. And then be like, Oh, by the way, you could start making some money if you sleep with this older, attractive guy. But then like, then, then this like slippery slope of life.

Malcolm Collins: No, no. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll get into how they did it, but like, just to understand the scope of this so it's estimated that around 1, 400 children were sexually exploited in this way.

And just Potterham between 1997 and 2013 to understand. How little the police responded to this. The only persecutions were five men in Rotter ham in [00:04:00] 2010. 11 men in durva Shire in 2010. Between 2008 and 2010, there were three men. convicted in Cornwall in 2012, nine men from Rotteschild and Alderham and 2013, seven men from Oxford.

And that's it.

Simone Collins: And there were literal cases of, for example, case workers entering homes and seeing Girls beneath men in their bedrooms and they just walked out of the room like well nothing nothing to see here

Malcolm Collins: They also participated in the weddings and everything like that So if i'm going to go over a few individual instances here one victim known as sarah was kidnapped at the age of 15 forced to learn the quran She was forced to another victim was forced into islamic dress and only permitted to speak urdu or punjab another victim was forced into three sharia marriages during her 12 years in captivity.

This was someone who was captured at 15. Because some of these people were just kidnapped. In Bradford, a 14 year old [00:05:00] girl known as Anna was quote unquote married in a traditional Islamic wedding that was attended by a social worker. a 14 year old. So the, the, this is the thing that's really scandalous about this.

It's that social workers and the police were aware this was happening and were doing nothing because they did not like the, when we talk about the way that the urban monoculture dehumanizes people of some ethnicities and treats people of other ethnicities that have a being more worthy of human dignity.

Like it is genuinely a Very, very racist culture in the most traditional meaning of the word. I will add to that

Simone Collins: though. Yes. And it is also classist. And I know that there were some middle class young, young women who got caught up in this. But a lot of what was also going on was like, Oh, this like trashy girls sleeping around with guys.

Like, I don't know, ignore it. Like, what are we, what are we supposed to do? She's, you know, she's consenting to this. Like, she's just a trashy woman selling her body, you know, doing, getting into drugs and alcohol. That's why like a lot of these girls. [00:06:00] Terrible things are happening to them. They're showing up at the police station saying, help me.

And they're like, sober up and come back to us later with an adult. And then they go back out and get, you know, assaulted again. It, this is like, there is a classic angle to this

Malcolm Collins: where people ever, this is genuinely like what it was like in the South. During the period where, you know, if you were a white guy, you c