Debate: Are Progressives Genocidal Maniacs Who Hate Diversity?

Malcolm and Simone have an insightful discussion about the paradoxes in progressive culture's view of diversity. They analyze how progressivism claims to value diversity yet enforces ideological conformity, and how "minority status" is defined in strange ways. Malcolm argues progressivism commits cultural genocide, while Simone provides nuance on progressives' motivations. Their dialogue highlights the clashing worldviews underlying today's culture wars.

Malcolm: , [00:00:00] you've got to understand how literally insane it sounds to be a cultural group that says diversity is a thing of value and everyone's actually the same.

Malcolm: What they mean by diversity, and this is very important, is that we are open to recruiting people into our cultural group from any other cultural group. They don't really value diversity. What they value is diversity in

Simone: victims. Well, I don't know. See, yeah, I was, I was going to say I think the difference here is, is the, the role that intersectionality plays in progressive culture, but so I think that that's what we're missing is cultural outsiders intersectionality.

Simone: It, it is, it is victimhood status And that's one, that's one view. And you know, I, progressive culture is not a monolith it is a monolith.

Malcolm: I'm sorry, in what way is it not a monolith? Explain. Well,

Simone: because I do think that there are many people who identify as progressives who don't agree with [00:01:00] every element of it.

Malcolm: Yeah, but you're just on the outside. This is what your cultural group actually believes at the highest levels, and this is what your cultural group will try to enforce on the surrounding cultural groups, regardless of whether or not it's something that you...

Malcolm: personally identify with and I think that that's, that's really, this is like you go to a Nazi and he's like, well, I'm not antisemitic.

Simone: Malcolm, you're not being Fair.

Malcolm: why are you

Simone: so unwilling? I, I, anyway. Why am I

Malcolm: so unwilling to morally compromise? If you're okay with a cultural group that's out there that's using our school system to systematically erase everyone who thinks differently than them , and if it was literally any group other than yours doing that, you'd be like, Oh, this is like the most evil thing anyone can do.

Malcolm: I, I'd really, you know, encourage some self reflection.

Simone: Your arguments and your wording are not going to engage people.

Would you like to know more?

Malcolm: The progressive party, like it talks about diversity a lot. [00:02:00] Like it says diversity is important. And yet in, in two ways, it seems to have a systemic hatred.

Malcolm: In denial of diversity. So, way number one is it says different groups are not actually different. Different cultural groups are different. Different ethnic groups aren't different. Different, nobody's different. Everyone's actually exactly the same.

Simone: Oh, like there's not even, you know, men and women are exactly the same.

Simone: Yeah, men and women are

Malcolm: exactly the same. Not different at all. But, but it's also super important that you respect people when they decide that they're a different gender. Why would any of this matter if we're all exactly the same? This is so interesting and it's such an incongruous part of this sort of progressive world perspective, which is,

Malcolm: I don't know, it's very difficult for me to like really grok, because it's [00:03:00] so astronomically simple.

Simone: Stupid. Well, I think that it's interesting because progressivism in general, as it exists today is full of paradoxes and it's not just about diversity. It's also about freedom. Like I grew up thinking, you know, and I, and living in a very progressive culture that progressivism was all about freedom, freedom to choose what partner you wanted, freedom to choose.

Simone: how you dressed, what you said, how you acted, who you could become, you know, you can be anyone you want, any gender you want, anything, anything, whatever, you know, you are free to choose. And what I find to be really interesting is the extent to which it's actually quite the opposite there. Like it's actually pretty coercive and that no, actually you can't.

Simone: You can't do things that offend these groups, you can't, actually I was just listening to a podcast covering an element of the furry community and the furry community was talking about how it's super, super not okay to watch, I think what they referred to as, as feral erotic material, we're [00:04:00] gonna say.

Simone: You know, like I guess video footage or illustrations of animals banging each other. Because that's, you know, coercive, which, which is weird because if you're a furry, you might be like more likely to be turned on by something like that.

But

Malcolm: just interesting. Okay. So I, I will word this cause I think that our viewers may not understand what you just said.

Malcolm: And it's really interesting. It immediately makes sense to me. What they're saying is that in the furry community. These are people who like to dress up as animals and hit on other people, dress up like animals. They say it's not a sexual

Simone: thing. And there's a subset, of course, that also is species dim dysmorphic, meaning that they actually feel like they're really a fox or they really Or like a dog, right?

Simone: Yes, yes. So there's, that's a subset, a small subset, but yeah, anyway. It is considered

Malcolm: immoral to watch videos of the animal that you identify with. Having sex with that same animal, but the reason it's considered immoral, this is what's fascinating. The reason it's considered immoral is because there [00:05:00] wasn't consent.

Malcolm: There wasn't consent when those two animals decided to have sex with each other. It's not because you're watching an animal have sex, that's not what they find disgusting. It's because there wasn't consent when the animals decided to have sex. That's fascinating.

Simone: Continue. I guess, yeah, I guess that's the issue at hand.

Simone: But yeah, I just find it so interesting that I would think that the furry community, for example that to me is like a really big bastion of progressivism in general, right? Like a very, very small proportion of the community identifies as right, let alone hard right, right? This is, this is supposed to be a very, you know, Yeah.

Simone: I was like in, in, in a blocked and reported podcast, I was just listening about that. They, they talked about a survey in that, in that space. And so it's also it's one of those things where you have to be really comfortable with being, you know, seen as weird. To dress up in an anthropomorphized costume and dance around and do all that stuff.

Simone: Right. So it's just so interesting to me that in a community like that, where you would think that it is like the epitome of being accepting of accepting differences of accepting [00:06:00] deviance from what is normative and most people just. I think that's pretty weird. And in fact, I was listening to another podcast called Ruthless, which is more like a conservative political podcast.

Simone: And they were b